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Did ford re-engineer the front end on any newer models 16, 17 ? Anyone know?


It’s my understanding that some of the later models are even worse about this. It starts happening sooner, mileage wise.
Also, for those wanting to know, this is NOT the same as tire vibration. That is usually caused by the weird tire wear (cupping and so forth) that comes from oversized tires and thick rubber with wide lugs and such.
This shakes the entire vehicle violently. Like everything from the dashboard is now in the floor board violent. If you pay attention, you can feel it coming on but you don’t have enough time to prevent it. Just brace yourself, kick off the cruise, and start coasting.

I’m wondering if this has to do with the trend for all these trucks to be higher and higher each year? Have we stretched the angles on all this stuff past practical limits?


I put new Fox shocks all around. Guess I'll add a steering damper and talk to my alignment shop. I'd like to never experience this!



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Posts: 9648 | Location: Colorado  | Registered: July 23, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I think if I were to experience any issues with a Ford Super Duty front end I would invest in some replacement parts from Carli Suspension. Specifically I would invest in a torsion sway bar and fabricated radius arms along with an upper and lower mount steering stabilizer. Couple those with some Dynatrac rebuildable ball joints and I’d be willing to bet that there would never be any other problems. All of those modifications represent a major upgrade in suspension parts along with an ability to rebuild ball joints (if it was ever even necessary to do so) without having to press the entire ball joint out. Unfortunately it would also come at a significant cost, but if it was a truck that you really liked and wanted to keep for the long haul, probably well worth it.



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Posts: 5054 | Location: Albany, NY | Registered: February 28, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I looked up those Carli parts and they appear to be for lifted trucks. My stock F350 is already taller than I'd like for towing our 5th wheel.
 
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I looked up those Carli parts and they appear to be for lifted trucks. My stock F350 is already taller than I'd like for towing our 5th wheel.


My sentiments exactly. Factory ride height could be 4” shorter and I’d be happy.
That’s what is disappointing about this ordeal.
My truck has always been stock.
No oversize tires
No lift kit
No heavy ass Ranch Hand bumpers
No winch
And I stay on top of maintenance. Tire rotation, etc.
and still, I’m rebuilding the front end at 80k miles.
About time for a brake job now.
Still cheaper than a new (even taller) truck.
 
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I looked up those Carli parts and they appear to be for lifted trucks. My stock F350 is already taller than I'd like for towing our 5th wheel.


It’s my understanding that although they are designed for use with their leveling kits or lift kits, where front suspension is even more taxed than in stock configuration, that they can be utilized with non leveled or lifted applications as well. The sway bar and steering stabilizers should not make a difference, and I think the radius arms are available for non leveled or lifted applications as well. The Dynatrack rebuildable ball joints could unquestionably be used in non lifted trucks and they are a definite improvement over stock, or even Moog or other USA made ball joints.

As far as ride height, I totally understand as even my previous non lifted 2015 Ram 3500 single rear wheel truck was pretty tall when hooking up a gooseneck trailer. However I don’t think it can really be reasonably expected to get these trucks any lower. With the towing and load carrying capacities that these trucks have nowadays they need pretty massive brakes. In order to fit the required large sized brake rotors you need a pretty good sized wheel. Couple the required good sized wheel with tires that have enough sidewall to carry a big load and you are left with a truck that sits pretty tall. Honestly if I wasn’t towing a 5th wheel that weighed more than 11,000 or 12,000 pounds or so I would probably just tow with a newer half ton truck since their capacity is what 3/4 ton trucks were 15 years ago and they don’t sit quite as tall.



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The Dynatrack rebuildable ball joints could unquestionably be used in non lifted trucks and they are a definite improvement over stock, or even Moog or other USA made ball joints.


I put in a set of the Carli rebuildable ball joints in my stock Dodge and have been very happy with them so far. The Moogs I put in shortly before that were absolute junk.
 
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My 2017 F350 does the death wobble, often enough that I watch the road closely when it looks rough. Its not a frequent occurance, just often enough to keep me tuned up. I did just get a notice from Ford about updated steering part to fix it, though. I have not yet contacted the dealership to see how many weeks they need my truck before they spend half a day installing them.


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With my truck it started on one spot of one particular road. I figured it was a fluke. Over a period of several weeks, it started happening on other roads I have regularly used and not had a problem with. Basically, it got progressively worse over about 3 weeks and I couldn't ignore it anymore, so I had it fixed.
 
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My 2017 F350 does the death wobble, often enough that I watch the road closely when it looks rough. Its not a frequent occurance, just often enough to keep me tuned up. I did just get a notice from Ford about updated steering part to fix it, though. I have not yet contacted the dealership to see how many weeks they need my truck before they spend half a day installing them.


Shouldn't take them more than an hour to do the repair and check the alignment. Then again, I know how it goes at a dealership. Ford did have issues with a bad batch of steering stabilizers. Had them failing right out of the box.
 
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My 2017 F350 does the death wobble, often enough that I watch the road closely when it looks rough. Its not a frequent occurance, just often enough to keep me tuned up. I did just get a notice from Ford about updated steering part to fix it, though. I have not yet contacted the dealership to see how many weeks they need my truck before they spend half a day installing them.


Shouldn't take them more than an hour to do the repair and check the alignment. Then again, I know how it goes at a dealership. Ford did have issues with a bad batch of steering stabilizers. Had them failing right out of the box.


Once parts arrived, my local dealership never had my truck more than a day. Usually I’d drop it off the evening before, put the keys in the drop box. They’d call me the next day and I’d pick it up when I had time.
But after listening to some of you guys, I think my dealership may be an anomaly. I’ve always had good, timely service from them. I’m not gonna say it was always the cheapest, but you can only pick two out of the Good, Cheap, Fast list, right?
 
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You are correct in what you say. I think it is safe to say that it really doesn't matter what brand of vehicle you drive there are service centers that are good and bad. I am an independent. You can also add them into this. There is good and bad.
 
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