Here's a real appropriate salute. This guy should know better!

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Originally posted by nathab2:
Wait...you have to earn the right to show respect to military members?

No.
You have to earn the right to salute.
I hope you do show respect to our military. But please do it in a respectful manner.

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Originally posted by Arty:
No.
You have to earn the right to salute.
I hope you do show respect to our military. But please do it in a respectful manner.

Thank you, that makes a bit more sense.

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Originally posted by Broadside:

Landing on an aircraft carrier with a sign that says, "Mission Accomplished" is also a photo op.

Yeah, but at least President Bush didn't stage his photo-op using dead Americans as background props. . .

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Originally posted by S_SIG_S:
Here's a real appropriate salute. This guy should know better!

Cute picture, actually. I love Barney.

Also, I imagine that's on the White House lawn after getting out of a car or chopper - hardly the 'typical' "W Salute" to compare Obama's to.

Like I said, Obama has a good salute; it's just his motives that I question.

It's just a hand gesture associated with the military. It's the gesture that counts, not the proper display of it by a non-military person. Jeeesh!

I personally have saluted several officers properly, only to receive half assed salutes in return, by commissioned officers! That took nothing away from my salutes & intent. I see nothing wrong with Obama's salute, I certainly wouldn't hold it against him being of no military background.

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Originally posted by Angry Conservative:
Just about everything "The Chosen One" does is in bad taste.

No matter what he does he is wrong and criticized. If salutes he's wrong. If he does not salute he's wrong.

Give it a rest. It's getting old.

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Originally posted by TXbug:

No matter what he does he is wrong and criticized. If salutes he's wrong. If he does not salute he's wrong.

I'm not hung up on the saluting (which he is doing perfectly, BTW). My big problem is a midnight photo op with caskets of troops killed in Afghanistan partly due to his indecisiveness in giving the commander on the ground* there the troops he requested to get this thing over with.

*The commander HE appointed.

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Originally posted by TXbug:

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Originally posted by Angry Conservative:
Just about everything "The Chosen One" does is in bad taste.

No matter what he does he is wrong and criticized. If salutes he's wrong. If he does not salute he's wrong.

Give it a rest. It's getting old.

Very old...

"Obama"---whole forum

+1 impreza

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Originally posted by S_SIG_S:
I personally have saluted several officers properly, only to receive half assed salutes in return, by commissioned officers!

First, who else would you get a salute returned from other than commissioned officers? Just wondering...

Second, there are plenty of military stereotypes. Want me to break out my laundry list?

To me a salute from anyone is a sign of respect and admiration. I've returned the salutes of children and civilians who didn't "earn the right" to salute. I've also been forced (by military protocol) to salute some real asshats. I value a salute from someone who didn't serve more than I value the somewhat obligatory salutes found in the services. Just my thought.

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Originally posted by Snake207:

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To his credit though, at least his salute is "more correct" than the active duty guy next to him.

It's funny...that was the first thing I noticed. I was thinking that O's salute was actually pretty good looking for someone who has never served.

I'll give him credit for at least making the effort to give a proper salute, for whatever that's worth.

At least he didn't look like this idiot who DID serve...

Or this one

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by S_SIG_S:
I personally have saluted several officers properly, only to receive half assed salutes in return, by commissioned officers!

First, who else would you get a salute returned from other than commissioned officers? Just wondering...

Second, there are plenty of military stereotypes. Want me to break out my laundry list?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize a military prowess pissing match was of necessity here. Next you'll want my DD214. It was a slip on words, if you feel the need to point that out, I see where you stand with that.

BTW I didn't solicit your "laundry list", I have plenty myself. I suppose there's some point your attempting to make. Go bully elsewhere.

Might I suggest something...?

I will agree that Obama gave one heck of snappy salute. Much better than the career military man next to him.

HOWEVER...I think most of us will also agree his very presence there was merely a carefully staged, highly calculated, and perfectly executed PR mission from the start.

I also have a theory on why his salute was so good. Perhaps before going on a one-time only Dover Air Force Base PR stunt...he knew he better get it right, so he brushed up on the move or got one of his handpicked generals who smile favorably towards his policies to teach him how before he went?

I don't believe for a MOMENT that he knew how to do it just by chance. A picture perfect salute like that takes calculating practice...and Obama is way too smart to risk ruining his magnanimous public appeal by not doing his homework beforehand. Believe me...this was shallow, calculated, and completely rehearsed before he went out there.

In his mind, the ends justify the means to continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people into thinking he actually gives a rat's behind about our military men and their sacrifices.

By the way...anybody think he looks a little like Mussolini in that pic? Pompous prick...

S_SIG_S - Testy testy, are we?

Navhawk - spot on.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
S_SIG_S - Testy testy, are we?

Navhawk - spot on.

This is not the place to point out my grammatic mistakes, it's rather childish. It doesn't reflect well on your almost 7000 post in just over a year. That's my opinion.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by S_SIG_S:
I personally have saluted several officers properly, only to receive half assed salutes in return, by commissioned officers!

First, who else would you get a salute returned from other than commissioned officers? Just wondering...

Sgt, or Cpl of the Guard when reporting your post, and/or being relieved. And Medal of Honor recipients.

Bit oh info:
"Through the use of the various forms of military courtesy a Marine says, in effect, "As brothers in arms and fellow Marines, I consider you worthy of my respect." When used in this manner, military courtesy assumes one of its most important roles; it is an expression of the respect a Marine has for other Marines and for himself. Of all the forms of military courtesy, the various salutes are probably the most important. They are certainly the most obvious and frequently used. Saluting is the traditional form of greeting between men of the profession of arms and it is an honored tradition of military organization throughout the world." -Marine Corps Historical Reference Series, 1963

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by S_SIG_S:
I personally have saluted several officers properly, only to receive half assed salutes in return, by commissioned officers!

First, who else would you get a salute returned from other than commissioned officers? Just wondering...

Sgt, or Cpl of the Guard when reporting your post, and/or being relieved. And Medal of Honor recipients.

Bit oh info:
"Through the use of the various forms of military courtesy a Marine says, in effect, "As brothers in arms and fellow Marines, I consider you worthy of my respect." When used in this manner, military courtesy assumes one of its most important roles; it is an expression of the respect a Marine has for other Marines and for himself. Of all the forms of military courtesy, the various salutes are probably the most important. They are certainly the most obvious and frequently used. Saluting is the traditional form of greeting between men of the profession of arms and it is an honored tradition of military organization throughout the world." -Marine Corps Historical Reference Series, 1963

Warrant Officers. And also to add to the above the Officer of the Day, who is not always an officer.

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I am trying to have an informative discussion.

...and you're being informed. You don't have the right to render a salute.

I would argue that it would be an attempt to identify yourself as a current or prior service member. You're identifying yourself as part of a group, and you haven't earned membership.

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ultimately what is the difference? Both are ways of showing respect.

Rendering a salute is also DEMANDING respect. Remember, a salute goes both ways.

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Please do not patronize me. We can have an informative discussion without sinking to that level.

Translation: I have a silly notion, and the subject matter experts have told me I'm wrong, but I want to keep arguing anyway.

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Wait...you have to earn the right to show respect to military members?

In that fashion? Yes.

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by S_SIG_S:
I personally have saluted several officers properly, only to receive half assed salutes in return, by commissioned officers!

First, who else would you get a salute returned from other than commissioned officers? Just wondering...

Sgt, or Cpl of the Guard when reporting your post, and/or being relieved. And Medal of Honor recipients.

Bit oh info:
"Through the use of the various forms of military courtesy a Marine says, in effect, "As brothers in arms and fellow Marines, I consider you worthy of my respect." When used in this manner, military courtesy assumes one of its most important roles; it is an expression of the respect a Marine has for other Marines and for himself. Of all the forms of military courtesy, the various salutes are probably the most important. They are certainly the most obvious and frequently used. Saluting is the traditional form of greeting between men of the profession of arms and it is an honored tradition of military organization throughout the world." -Marine Corps Historical Reference Series, 1963

Thanks, I was mental blocking. I knew there was others but was a bit irritated.

Let's also include the deceased soldiers the post pertains to.