Yeah I had someone like this.
I let him go this morning.
Sang a different tune when reality set in.

The other guy I promoted is showing promise already.
I just got a progress update.
Something I never got from Mr. I don't care.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Why get lazy and just accept it?

I don't see anything lazy in either post.

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tell me what to do and I'll do it

and

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I go into work, do my job, nothing more, and go home.

...sound like good employees to me.

I think some of you must not know ACTUAL lazy employees. I've worked with people who actually don't do their job. That's lazy. I hate working with lazy people because then their job becomes part of my job.

Doing what you're supposed to do and going home isn't lazy at all. I love working around that kind of people because as long as everybody is doing their job the machine works. I don't really like or trust overly ambitious people because the ones I've worked with usually end up neglecting the job they're supposed to be doing looking for the next promotion. I don't have a problem with them as long as they keep doing the job they're in. There's nothing wrong with finding the job you want and doing it to the end, though.

NOT doing what you're supposed to do is what's lazy.

Well, this will be unpopular in this thread...

What you do pretty much defines what you are in life. The harder people work, the better people they seem to be. The lazy ones at work also seem to always be the lazy ones off work, too. There's a connection between the two. Those that do a sloppy job at work are usually slobs at home, too.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
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The other guy I promoted is showing promise already.
...

Be careful of the "Halo theory"..... that is, some employees are only good 60 days out of the year. 30 days before, and 30 days after performance evaulation!

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Originally posted by rburg:
Well, this will be unpopular in this thread...

What you do pretty much defines what you are in life. The harder people work, the better people they seem to be. The lazy ones at work also seem to always be the lazy ones off work, too. There's a connection between the two. Those that do a sloppy job at work are usually slobs at home, too.

....aaaaannnnndddd....that would be me. And I don't care.

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Originally posted by rburg:
Well, this will be unpopular in this thread...

What you do pretty much defines what you are in life. The harder people work, the better people they seem to be. The lazy ones at work also seem to always be the lazy ones off work, too. There's a connection between the two. Those that do a sloppy job at work are usually slobs at home, too.

I can agree with this. In todays work place, there is no longer any loyalty. I blame the company's for this and can understand the OP's point of veiw. Lazy people don't need any reward for motivation. Self reliance is no longer a personal quality because company's are willing to promote the lazy as well or beyond the motivated hard workers. Company's using performance evaluations are really a sure sign of strategic manipulation of the workforce. Very counterproductive I beleive.

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Originally posted by parallel:

Going on my own was the best thing I've ever done. Only thing is... I'm the worst boss I've ever had.

It's like the bastard never slleeeeeeps!

I use to be in IT, and got tired of the BS office/cube farm head games, not knowing if I'll have a job etc..... So I changed careers. Best move ever! Two years trade school, have a much better job working with people I trust(myself mostly) and I see my boss about once a month.

Let's see, I've been:
A Marine (0861, Ooh Rah)
Commercial Diver
System/network administrator and general IT Guru (Web Dude)
Commercial HVAC Mechanic/Controls Tech
Now, a residential HVAC instructor

Specializing is for insects, and no one says that you can't change.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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Originally posted by parallel:

Going on my own was the best thing I've ever done. Only thing is... I'm the worst boss I've ever had.

It's like the bastard never slleeeeeeps!

Yep, I push myself harder than any boss ever has. The only thing that makes me a better boss is that I have reasonable expectations and ensure that my company has the training and resources to do the job. That is one reason that I just get pissed off when people who work their 40 hours a week (nothing wrong with that so long as you realize that you get what you sow) want to bitch about the "rich". With few exceptions the "rich" are the people who are working 60-80 hours and more a week and taking the risk of being in business in the first place. So if you're content doing the minimum that is your job description, by all means. Just don't piss and moan when you're left behind.

Those who say that they don't trust "overly ambitious people" have a valid point when those people are willing to step on others in order to climb. However, it has been my experience that if the "others" were climbing as well they wouldn't be there to get stepped on.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
It is just a saying that once a company or employer F#$% you over one too many times, or promote other less capable workers past you, or just don't reward your above and beyond efforts,

Maybe others don't see you and your efforts the same way you do? Could be that you don't even see or realize the things you do wrong, or the problems you cause?

I have a policy.
If you just don't care anymore, leave.
We're both much better off.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
I have a policy.
If you just don't care anymore, leave.
We're both much better off.

That's a pretty good policy, if you assume that you are not cause of this attitude in your employees.

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Originally posted by parallel:
I just get pissed off when people who work their 40 hours a week (nothing wrong with that so long as you realize that you get what you sow)...

I sow 40 hours a week of doing my best to do what my job description says is my job. I expect to reap pay for 40 hours a week.

As you know from a previous thread related to this, I don't bitch. I make pretty good money, actually.

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Those who say that they don't trust "overly ambitious people" have a valid point when those people are willing to step on others in order to climb.

I don't care who they step on as long as it isn't me. If it IS me, they won't be moving up. I'm outrageously vengeful, and I will torpedo anyone who expect me to be a stepping ladder. I don't mess with other people, and they better not mess with me. They all know it.

That's why I don't get screwed over very often.


That isn't what I said earlier. I said I don't like people who neglect their current job trying to move up. It might not be real common in other areas, but it is in government work. Some people get promoted by doing an outstanding job in their current position, and some get promoted by neglecting their current position reaching for the next one.

I like #1. I dislike and don't trust #2.

I don't care how ambitious somebody is as long as they do a good job. There's a certain "type" of person I don't trust, but being promoted by deserving it is great. I don't care to, but I'm happy when it happens for other people.

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Originally posted by FunGunner:

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
I have a policy.
If you just don't care anymore, leave.
We're both much better off.

That's a pretty good policy, if you assume that you are not cause of this attitude in your employees.

It's a job, not recreation.
You either like doing a good job or don't.
I don't interfere with my coworkers.
If they screw up, I get fussed at.
If corrective action doesn't solve the problem, they find other employment to their liking.
It's quite simple. I have people that have been with me for 8-9 years now.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
It's a job, not recreation.
You either like doing a good job or don't.

That's exactly what I've been saying all along. I don't mind that attitude at all. I agree with it, actually. The employees you like are the same people I like...at work. You mentioned correcting a problem. If they do what they're supposed to do (like every one of us who agrees with the original poster), there's nothing for you to correct.

You are talking about something completely different from what this thread is about. You're talking about bad employees. We're talking about people who don't care about work outside work. That has nothing to do with what they do at work.

The "fast movers" I was talking about earlier treat work as a social event. That's my main problem with them, actually.

I like it when people get promoted for doing a good job. It's much too rare in my experience, though.

Well I got my answer.
Apparently I was right.
Someone from manufacturing was coming into the department and slacking.
if he were mine, I'd fire him.
Now to deal with the one who was shielding him.

Back to the original topic being we seem to be talking about bad employees now...

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
...it was actually the best thing EVER for me. It made me realize what was actually important in life - NOT WORK, for sure. And now I'm that guy - tell me what to do and I'll do it... It is just a J-O-B and I'm just putting in my time...

Good attitude!! You've learned an important lesson, now don't forget it going through life. Work should never be your #1 priority because work is a way to pay for life. Do a good job while you're there, and forget work once you go home.

Enjoy your life now. I think you'll be much happier.

You sound like a great employee to me. I'd rather work with you than people who would call you "that guy" anyday.

When I got to the point that I didn't care anymore, it was time to move on.

So many of the other teachers were just riding until retirement and I wasn't going to let my job kill me.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I used to be someone who was going places - on the fast track, someone who went the extra miles to make sure things were not only done, but perfect. I would be given the hardest of jobs, the ones that other people had screwed up beyond belief, and bring them back to life. I spent years doing this... and what did I get to show for it? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but the shaft! You think I might be upset by this (I was for awhile...) but it was actually the best thing EVER for me. It made me realize what was actually important in life - NOT WORK, for sure. And now I'm that guy - tell me what to do and I'll do it. Expect me to put in overtime without pay, break myself to fix someone else's F$%*-up? Forget it. It is just a J-O-B and I'm just putting in my time. And like the subject says... it's not that I'm lazy, I just don't care (anymore....)....

I know how you feel. I've more or less been told that at my level the only way I can distinguish myself from my co-workers is to work more hours then they do. Forget about quality of work, complexity of projects, nothing late in the last 8 years. Just more hours.

I'd rather spend time with my kids than "exceed expectations."