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Originally posted by lunchbox:

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Originally posted by SirelkJaeger:

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Originally posted by lunchbox:

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Originally posted by archfire9:
About the olympics....

Give me a break dickbags(china), that girl is like 11 and you fucking know it!!!


Rant off.

Sorry if this is a repeat thread or something but it boils my blood when shit isnt done about an obvious fraud.

Who cares? if I showed up to the olyimpics and got my ass beat by a 4th grader I would rethink my goals. If a 11 year old can bring it and beat people many years older than her I say go for it.

You're right, To hell with rules! Let's just everyone do what they want, teach all our kids to win, reguardless of what we have to tell people or what we have to do to get it...totally agree!

Guy calm down, its just gymnastics not anarchy. When I was 10 years old I was on a swim team in the 14-16 year old bracket, and when I won no one called me a cheater. I say if the little girl is under 16 and won a gold medal then good for her let her keep it.

But your not getting the picture. This is WORLDWIDE event. Hell, I am all for breaking rules, but the fact that they are clearly lying and are getting away with it really pisses me off.

Its totally fine to jostle around age brackets in any normal circumstance. But this is not a normal circumstance.

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Originally posted by archfire9:

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Originally posted by lunchbox:

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Originally posted by lunchbox:

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Originally posted by archfire9:
About the olympics....

Give me a break dickbags(china), that girl is like 11 and you fucking know it!!!


Rant off.

Sorry if this is a repeat thread or something but it boils my blood when shit isnt done about an obvious fraud.

Who cares? if I showed up to the olyimpics and got my ass beat by a 4th grader I would rethink my goals. If a 11 year old can bring it and beat people many years older than her I say go for it.

You're right, To hell with rules! Let's just everyone do what they want, teach all our kids to win, reguardless of what we have to tell people or what we have to do to get it...totally agree!

Guy calm down, its just gymnastics not anarchy. When I was 10 years old I was on a swim team in the 14-16 year old bracket, and when I won no one called me a cheater. I say if the little girl is under 16 and won a gold medal then good for her let her keep it.

But your not getting the picture. This is WORLDWIDE event. Hell, I am all for breaking rules, but the fact that they are clearly lying and are getting away with it really pisses me off.

Its totally fine to jostle around age brackets in any normal circumstance. But this is not a normal circumstance.

Fair enough.

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Guy calm down, its just gymnastics not anarchy. When I was 10 years old I was on a swim team in the 14-16 year old bracket, and when I won no one called me a cheater. I say if the little girl is under 16 and won a gold medal then good for her let her keep it.

I'm not upset, don't really feel the need to calm down. You are right, it is JUST gymnastics.

Think about it this way, would you want these people working for you? I mean, as employees, knowing that they lie cheat and steal, you wouldn't have a problem having them under your employ?

We've all played sports when we were young, and yeah we probably all cheated or did something we knew wasn't the way it was supposed to be done. Does that make it ok to do? More importantly, does that make it ok to do in a WORLDWIDE event including a large majority of countries in the world. Sets a perfect example of how to do things don't it.

I am still not saying for 100% certainty that they ARE cheating. I'm just saying that if they are, they know it. We can only assume and complain. But there's really nothing that they can do about it or us, nor us to them. Just remember what they taught thier kids....and then choose what you will teach your's.

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But your not getting the picture. This is WORLDWIDE event. Hell, I am all for breaking rules, but the fact that they are clearly lying and are getting away with it really pisses me off.

Its totally fine to jostle around age brackets in any normal circumstance. But this is not a normal circumstance.

This is a totally different circumstance IMO. They KNOW how old you are, they know beforehand that you are of a higher skillset than the other people of your age category. So, in order to make things more challenging for you and more fair to the others that are of the same age.

But that's not anywhere close to being a Worldwide event...

The problem is in gymnastics, the older you get the worse you get. Once a girl reaches puberty her center of rotation changes and that throws everything into whack. Younger competitors have an unfair advantage over their post pubescent teammates. Throwing younger girls into the mix is unfair and cheating. That's why the rule is as it is.

In the swimming analogy used earlier it would be the same as a 14 year old swimming in the 10 year old group, not the other way around.

I thought the two "little" girls were kinda cute. They did look like 11 and 12 respectively instead of 15 and 16. Someone is pulling our leg!

I did think they had their hair pulled back too tight!

Unenforcable rules don't work. Thats all I can say

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Originally posted by lunchbox:
Who cares? if I showed up to the olyimpics and got my ass beat by a 4th grader I would rethink my goals. If a 11 year old can bring it and beat people many years older than her I say go for it.

In gymnastics younger athletes generally have an advantage over the older ones.

Case in point: Dominique Moceanu, 14 in 1996 but who gained her first US National Team berth at age 10.

Most Olympic gymnasts, even in the US, were under 16 in their first Olympics prior to the rule change. Gymnasts under 16 still compete in the World Championships and other events of near-equal importance to the Olympics. Barring them from Olympic competition is absurd, especially since a 15 year old will almost certainly be too old to compete in the NEXT Olympics. Only 3 female gymnasts have ever competed in 3 Olympic games, all before the rule change.

Alicia Sacramone, competing at 20, would have been almost unheard of prior to the rule change and certainly not considered a serious contender. Even now her age is unusual, none of the other top teams have anyone even close to 20 AFAIK.

The rule are the rules and the Chinese should abide by them, but it's a stupid rule.

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Alicia Sacramone, competing at 20, would have been almost unheard of prior to the rule change and certainly not considered a serious contender. Even now her age is unusual, none of the other top teams have anyone even close to 20 AFAIK.

The rule are the rules and the Chinese should abide by them, but it's a stupid rule.

Good points, but this is a transition year, next olympics, there will be Chinese gymnasts who are "20" but can perform like 17 year olds. Go figure.

If it takes judges to tell you who is better, it's not a real sport anyway. They should put two girls up there on that "apparatus" at the same time and see who can put those moves to best use.
"WHAM"
"Looks like the smaller stature of the Chinese gymnast is a disadvantage after all, Bela."
"Da, did you see the way she bounced on the landing, should be a big deduction there, he, he, he..."

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... I would say I was almost twice as big and the average chinese man.

How freaking big are you? 11 feet tall and 300 lbs or more? 70" chest and 60 inch waist?

-- Average Chinese Female Height 5'4"; Weight 125 Pounds; Chest
31"; Waist 28"; Low Hip 35"

-- Average U.S. Female Height 5'4"; Weight 155 Pounds; Chest 37";
Waist 34"; Low Hip 42"

-- Average Chinese Male Height 5'8"; Weight 145 Pounds; Chest
35"; Waist 31"; Low Hip 36"

-- Average U.S. Male Height 5'9"; Weight 191 Pounds; Chest 41;
Waist 37; Low Hip 41"

Those little girls are nowhere near 16.

Come on. The one that looked the youngest had a baby tooth missing...no lie.

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Come on. The one that looked the youngest had a baby tooth missing...no lie.

The Chinese officials claimed her coach punched her in the mouth for screwing up her dismount twice in a row....so it's OK.

Maybe a dental/physical exam on the gymnasts would be in order.

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Come on. The one that looked the youngest had a baby tooth missing...no lie.

The Chinese officials claimed her coach punched her in the mouth for screwing up her dismount twice in a row....so it's OK.

Ha ha ha! yes!!!

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Maybe a dental/physical exam on the gymnasts would be in order.

+1. Totally agree with you!

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All hail our new Lords and Masters, the Communist State of China. Kneel, you running American dogs.

I tried, but I cannot kneel and run at the same time. It hoit.

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Originally posted by lunchbox:
... I would say I was almost twice as big and the average chinese man.

How freaking big are you? 11 feet tall and 300 lbs or more? 70" chest and 60 inch waist?

-- Average Chinese Female Height 5'4"; Weight 125 Pounds; Chest
31"; Waist 28"; Low Hip 35"

-- Average U.S. Female Height 5'4"; Weight 155 Pounds; Chest 37";
Waist 34"; Low Hip 42"

-- Average Chinese Male Height 5'8"; Weight 145 Pounds; Chest
35"; Waist 31"; Low Hip 36"

-- Average U.S. Male Height 5'9"; Weight 191 Pounds; Chest 41;
Waist 37; Low Hip 41"

Those little girls are nowhere near 16.

6'1" 230 pounds. I didnt say twice as tall. My point was that the chinese are smaller then americans. Also look at how much smaller the average chinese girl is compared to the american girl, take the fact that the chinese bread these little girls to do this and tell me that its impossialbe to have a 70 lb 16 year old girl.

Actually as noted before being younger is an advantage in Womens Gymnastics. Its not only because of the different weight distribution due to breast development either. Its also due to the change in hip geometry that occurs during puberty. As prepubescent girls basically have the same shape as boys, and their hips and knees as more inline. This will make most tumbling moves much more difficult and more dangerous after puberty.

And all of the girls do take measures to delay puberty even the US women. But in the USA its done thru diet. And diet can't stop development it will happen regardless. but Asian girls on traditional Asian diets (heavy on rice and vegetables) will be smaller. when i met my wife she was 105 lbs at 25, when she was 16 she was surely around 90 lbs. so 70 lbs is not impossible, but that girl is not 16.

Of course, there's no point in challenging this. Even if the OIC was interested in doing so... which they are not. The ChiComm's would simly fabricate documentation.

14 years and 220 days old?????

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407803,00.html


A determined U.S. computer expert has delved into cached pages on the Internet to unearth Chinese official documents showing a gymnast who took gold in the uneven bars competition, edging the U.S.'s Nastia Liukin, may indeed be underage.

Controversy over whether He Kexin is under the minimum age of 16 has surrounded her participation in the Beijing Olympics. The latest challenge over the age of the tiny Olympian comes from the discovery through a cyberspace maze of Chinese official documents listing her date of birth.

She may not look as if she has reached the minimum competing age of 16, but China said her passport, issued in February, gives her birthday as Jan. 1, 1992. The International Olympic Committee said proof from her passport is good enough.

The latest unofficial investigation was carried out by computer security expert for the Intrepidus Group, whose site, Stryde Hax, revealed a detailed forensic search for He’s age.

China's Olympic Women Gymnasts First he simply tried Google, only to find that an official listing by the Chinese sports administration that had given her age could no longer be accessed. Then he tried the Google cache, only to find that He’s name had been removed.

Finally, he tried the cache of Chinese search engine Baidu. There, he found that Baidu lists two spreadsheets in He's name, both giving her date of birth as January 1, 1994 — making her 14 years and 220 days old and too young to compete at the Beijing games.

The lists were compiled by the General Administration of Sport of China.

Even before anyone arrived in Beijing, American media investigations accused China of fielding three athletes below the 16-year-old minimum age threshold. Bela Karolyi, the former U.S. head coach, then reheated the issue by claiming that China “are using half-people” and that their flouting of the regulations was so obvious that “these people think we are stupid.”

Liukin, who finished second to He in the uneven bars final would be elevated to the gold medal position should He be disqualified. Britain's Beth Twiddle, who finished in fourth place, would be elevated to the bronze.

“My real age is 16," He said when asked by journalists about the debate. "I don’t care what other people say. I want other people to know that 16 is my real age.” When asked how she spent her 15th birthday, she paused and then said: “I was with my team. It was an ordinary day.”

Just nine months before the Olympics, the Chinese government’s Xinhua news agency gave He’s age as 13. Officials have since dismissed that report, saying Xinhua had never been given her age and made a mistake.

“Much of the coverage regarding Kexin’s age has only mentioned ‘allegations’ of fraud, and the IOC has ignored the matter completely," said Stryde, who was later named by Information Week as Mike Walker. "I believe that these primary documents, issued by the Chinese state ... rise to a level of evidence higher than ‘allegation.’”

It could certainly make a difference to Britain's Tweddle, who at 23 and relatively old for a gymnast may not be able to compete in the 2012 Olympic games in London.

According to fox news the IOC is indeed going to launch an investigation into the matter.

linky---> IOC to investigate

A couple of guys beat me to it. It just came across on the NBC Olympics broadcast. Someone seems to have found the smoking gun

It looks like the doodoo is flying off the fanblades as I type this.