|Res ipsa loquitur|
I have thousands and thousands of rounds of good quality 22LR. The PPQ-22 and the M&P 15-22 are what we shoot now. I'm not going to pay $19.00 for a 50 round box of 9mm range ammo.
Worst I've seen so far is $50 a box of 50 in North Carolina last weekend. Several stores will not sell you ammo, unless you buy a gun or can prove you have bought the gun from them in the past. It'll get better if Trump wins but what happens if Biden wins? It will be like it was after Obama's two wins, $1500 AR's selling for $3000 overnight.
If I could walk up to my hardware store manager,here in tiny town and
Purchase the L.M.T. rifle,the Noveske rifle, the colt rifle the Ruger 1911, the five glocks and a Benelli M4 , that I want
I'd gladly give him an extra $559.00 over what I am seeing on the internet, price wiseThis message has been edited. Last edited by: bendable,
Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency.
Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first
Jusf got a couple cartons at the front door.
I'm on the phone 9 hours a day with dealers from Maine to Alaska, this isn't going away anytime soon.
Look, the libs/lefties would be happy if we had absolutely no gun or ammo sales. Inflated prices only work to lower them, their goals. You should have listened to Para and his religion of buy cheap, stack deep. You didn't. Now you're whining because you don't have as much ammo or as many guns as you want. You're earlier inaction has resulted in this unhappiness. Starting to see who's fault it really is?
I'm a poor hillbilly. I live in a state where we hate government. Or at least I do. But I've discovered I can't buy new guns from my neighbor, or new ammo except at inflated prices at gun shows. I have no idea how old you are or how much ammo you require. You need to figure that out. Then not shoot up all your ammo.
I'll let you in on a secret. I have too much ammo. Yep. As in way to much. But I'm happy with it. I've broken it down into two problems. I realize that most new guns aren't as good as some older ones. I don't lust after junk handguns. I only buy great quality guns that will last as long as I will last. Hint: S&W and Sig. I don't really need the few dozen or so that I have. Some of them are getting a bit old, like my P210s that were made maybe 50 years ago. And I bet I can't wear them out in the few remaining years I've got.
Long guns last a real long time. Rifles and shotguns don't get used all that much. Never have been able to wear out prewar Winchester M70 s or M21s. Browning's last about forever, too.
Buy quality, not HiPoints.
Ammo is much easier. Buy components and only a little factory ammo. Then don't shoot up the factory ammo. Its not as good anyway. Don't buy during ammo shortages, buy when its cheap and plentiful. Start attending the church of Para. Your formal religion will begrudge the money you give the component makers, so don't tell them. Learn to forecast shortages. Its easy. Every 4 years the commies try to take over our fine country. If someone here had the data, you could probably graph the prices. Every presidential election year, the commies try to take over. Keep track of your ammo dump. Graph it. Then overlay ammo prices. You'll see a funny thing take place. Everyone else is buying based on time (like every 4 years). Not on price. That goes up every 2 years, too.
We shoot for fun. It doesn't follow election cycles. Cut back on your usage during the run-up to election day. At the same time, keep buying as much or even more. It results in problems with storage, but you can solve it if you try. We're not allowed to shoot democrats, but we should be able to. They are the real enemy, so stop helping them. Never help anyone with a democratic sticker on their car. Its aiding and abetting the enemy.
Learn to reload. You can reload about anything but rimfire. Shoot that less and learn to make your shots count. Buy in bulk, both ammo and components.
The real problem is complaining about it and not doing anything. Make sure the new girl you're dating comes from a gun family. No reason to marry into anti gun family. If the girl or her father doesn't have a gun company sticker on his pickup truck, its a strong hint. If he doesn't have a truck, she's a poor prospect.
Families often meet the new date in the living room. Some are cleaning their guns when you arrive. They do that to scare off pussy's that don't have or know about firearms. So meet them and talk about guns for a half hour or so. You'll then pass the first boyfriend test with dad. Don't pay a lot of attention to brothers, they're probably idiots anyhow.
Unhappy ammo seeker
|Waiting for Hachiko|
I bought 2 boxes 9mm 147 gr Defender ammo @ $29.99 ea, and 1 box Cor Bon 32ACP @$19.99 at a local gunshop Thursday.
6 months ago, the same 9mm ammo was priced $22 at the same gunshop.
No 40SW , which is what I was looking for.
I sadly however, have a fixed budget for ammo, tied in to a fixed income. I have to buy when I can afford it. But I don't shoot as much as I used to either.
Put out of your mind any notion that prices or availability will get better - this is only the beginning of a long painful spiral.
Short term - this is a great time to buy stock in companies that manufacture firearms and ammo.
"No matter where you go - there you are"
Well, fuck it then.
Pretty much sums up how I feel in general.
Maybe it will be liberating getting rid of all my shooting related crap and moving on to other hobbies...or none at all. It isn't like I've been able to enjoy any of it much in the last decade or so anyway.
Now before any of you get froggy about me giving you my stuff, I'll have you know I'll be solidly in the highway robbery camp just as much as everyone else. Step right up, get your 25 year old boxes of Blazer .22 for $30.00/50rds. Stored in surplus wooden ammo crates, and in a climate controlled environment free from the light of day. Supplies are limited, hurry or you'll miss out!
Its going to be hard for Y'all to believe, but even I have some morals. Well, not a lot, but some. There was a time, maybe 12 years ago (12 is a multiple of 4) that I got mad and sold off a bunch of my 22 ammo. Yep, 25,000 rounds, or 5 cases of 22s. Foolishly, I didn't make a big "profit", and I don't care. I only kept 5,000 of the Federals, which I rated just above junk. Oh, and some CCIs. Most of a case. Well, and some assorted 22s I thought were more trouble than they were worth. But I kept all the 9mms that I reloaded back when Slick was elected. I went into a reloading frenzy. Back then I had trouble finding bullets. That was maybe 1992. This isn't a new thing at all.
Those who think it is new, you have a very poor memory. Guess its time I try to find a way to make my little gun closet more reloading friendly. This may not be the end of the world. I fully expect the dirty democrats to get unelected in 2 years. Biden to die of old age in less than 4. His commie BJ artist to not get re-elected. So I need a crystal ball, but not really. In 4 years, this whole shit show will take place again. Biden can probably last 4 more, but even the inner city hoards will get tired of the rioting and such.
Keep track of history. At the 2 year mark, the Dirty Dems will loose the House with any luck at all. And a few Senate seats. Prices will again sky-rocket so you better get your fill before then.
The OP here says he's done paying inflated prices. He has no choice except to stop buying all together. Maybe he can find a bargain or two at a gun show. I'd bet he can turn a nice profit on his gun stuff! He won't need it because all will be nice and peaceful into the future. Remember, Democrats don't riot, loot or burn. Its all those uncivilized Republicans that pull that crap. In all fairness, I don't want to shoot them around here. They smell after a few days to weeks. Just a few dozen of them piled up around my outer wire would be ugly to say the least.
Unhappy ammo seeker
I get what you're saying, all of it, but it's OK if I post my frustrations in the "Pitch your bitch" section isn't it?
I learned my lesson right after the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012 . My ammo supply was way down and there was nothing I could do until it all blew over which took a while . Never again . I even have a new in the box AR15 in the gun safe that I bought just to flip and double my money the next time things go shitty .
I disagree for the most part, and for most shooters. FMJ training ammo for handguns won't be much different. Accuracy for FMJ bullets isn't great, whether loaded by hand or by high-volume factory machines. The hand loader can use better powders -- ones that aren't so dirty. For pistols, the hand loader can use high-quality bullets that fly well for competition -- something that is hard to find from factories. Defensive ammo can be quite good from the factory.
Buddies who loaded shot shells for clays competitions stated that they couldn't beat the quality of Remington STS loads. They could match the STS quality if they were careful, and they saved a little in cost if they didn't consider the value of their personal time.
Rifle ammo is where the hand loader can make a quality difference. As long as the shooter is capable of exploiting the improved accuracy of really well made rifle ammo that is tuned to a specific gun. However, I don't feel all that many people have the shooting skills to exploiting the accuracy improvement.
My competition ARs are capable of 1/2 MOA accuracy, at extended distances, with the factory ammo that the rifle prefers. That's the same level of accuracy obtained by peers who handload.
My bolt action competition rifles are capable of 3/8 MOA accuracy, at extended distances, with the factory ammo that the rifle prefers. Peers can produce ammo with accuracy of 1/4 MOA or less. Most shooters cannot capitalize on this accuracy difference, although some of us should gain a point here and there in matches with the uber-accurate ammo. Now at Extended Long Range distances of well over 1,000 yards, the handloader has a distinct advantage over factory ammo. Not all that many people shoot ELR.
Shooters should definitely buy as much as practical when prices are favorable, in order to better ride out the cycles of higher prices.
If one decides to compete, there really isn't a down time where we can stop shooting for extended periods. Shooting is a perishable skill. Dry firing helps, and it doesn't require ammo. Wind reading skills require live ammo, as does recoil management. Thus, we continue to consume ammo. Sooner or later it has to be replaced. Sometimes, even with the best of planning, some ammo or components must be purchased at prices that aren't optimal.
|Shit don't |
When I turned 40, 7 years ago my present to myself was a Dillon 550. That's fine for pistol and .223. I've since acquired 2 Redding presses for rifle stuff. I spent a few years collecting components. My biggest problem is finding time to shoot. I have 2 boys, ages 8 & 9. Unfortunately they can't go to the range I frequent until they are old enough to have a hunters safety card (a process that was implemented after someone accidentally shot themselves several years ago). At this point it's not too far off.
Sometimes when I go down to my reloading room I will question why I need 35,000 small pistol primers. Do I really need 20,000 small rifle primers? I also question why I need 90 lbs of powder (alot of CFE-223, H-335 and WSF, plus smaller amounts of IMR4350, Unique and Accurate #7).
I may be busy with camping, Cub Scouts and other non-shooting activities, but my boys are getting older, and the day will come when they can join me in going to the range. I will then have a solid answer to my above questions. Yes, yes I do need all those components.
I feel I have too much, I just listed it on my local gun board. Listed it for over 10% less than the worst stuff avail on ammoseek. (ie, Steel case Tula is @.60/round on Ammoseek. I listed my Winchester Nato 124 P+ brass cased for .50/round.
Was looking at some of the prices I'd paid, I'd loaded up the last shortage and paid too much then on some of it.
Stopped by FGE in Ormond this weekend, they have ammo and guns.
Reason is, 9mm box is $39 for 50
Found the P17 Kel-Tec I'd like, two of them,
priced at $349 for a suggested $199 retail MSRP.
CP33 at $495, so that's a bit under MSRP, just depends on the gun.
Naw let the noobs pay those prices, There were a few guns not way over, but no deals and no good ammo prices...
I bought 900 rds of reloaded 9mm and .45ACP last week for $440. Today I bought a Glock 43x from a LGS, which entitled me to a box of 9mm for $12.50, which I gladly took. I was pretty well stocked before the panic, but at this point, you gotta buy whatever is available. Pistol primers are now unobtanium, just when it was becoming cost-effective to reload 9mm.
Was reading an article today and it had links on the side that all said "in stock now" with a button for each caliber. Clicked on 9mm. They wanted $86 (shipping included) for a box of 50 gold dots. I thought for a second and then closed that web page. Decided, at that price, I have enough in the closet for now...
I'm going to the range tomorrow . I'll bring one box of 9mm and a whole buttload of .22 . I'm well stocked on .22 and enjoy just getting out anyway .
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