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What benefit does a stainless guide rod have over the original Sig guide rod? Bought a used 239 and it had the stainless one installed with the original in the box.
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The benefits of a solid stainless guide rod include:
- a more robust replacement for the hollow guide rods - a small amount of additional weight below the barrel and not part of the slide to improve muzzle flip (I personally don't notice this) - hollow rods can get dirty and rusty inside; solid rod is better for maintenance reasons - cosmetic benefit; if no other benefits interest you, these rods just look damn good!  Thanks MW22... ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••    Need a New Stainless Steel Guide Rod for your SIG? |
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Art in Colorado,
I believe a solid guide rod would void a SIG factory warranty – if this is a factor. I also believe it serves no real purpose other than to cause functioning problems. If you are going to use this SIG for carry purposes, I would purchase a new SIG recoil spring for the SIG recoil guide rod and use it in your pistol. If you decide to do this and have questions about the install of the new recoil spring (tight is right), let me know and I will assist you. As to the reasons posted that claim benefits of a solid rod: - a more robust replacement for the hollow guide rods – something that is not needed. - - a small amount of additional weight below the barrel and not part of the slide to improve muzzle flip (I personally don't notice this) – This sounds more like marketing than reality. - - hollow rods can get dirty and rusty inside; solid rod is better for maintenance reasons – has anyone ever seen a SIG recoil guide rod rust out. Spray a little oil in it if this is a worry. - - cosmetic benefit; if no other benefits interest you, these rods just look damn good! – We have a winner! In all seriousness, solid rods used on target or competition guns may be a good thing – but these are usually highly modified guns. For duty carry guns, stay with the SIG parts. Don’t spend money to fix a problem that does not exist. |
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I like the Grayguns' "fat rods" and have several of them in my SIGs. Although there are several supposed advantages to GGI's offerings over other manufacturers', the main reason I prefer theirs is somewhat better cosmetics. Here's a nice fit:
 GGI's silver-colored rods are stainless steel, but the Super Black-finished guides are carbon steel. The Super Black finish is extremely durable. Any modification to a SIG pistol could affect the warranty, including touching up a scratch with a Sharpie. It's therefore always a good idea to install the factory parts before sending the gun in for service. “Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.” — Leo Tolstoy |
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Changing the guide rod will not void the warranty unless it was so over sized it seized up on the slide, which is not likely. The Plastic rod Sig has switched to has caused problems in some guns. There are several report of it gualled up, from the spring. Sig springs fit tight on the rod, so unnecessary removal can gouge the plastic. None of these problems accour with a steel. The only reason Sig switched was to save money. If your going to shoot several 100 rounds at a time I would want a steel rod. If it's carry only and you max rounds are only a few mag full the plastic will work. The plastic should be self lubricating where the steel ones should be lubed.
David P229R 9mm, Nitron, Beavertail Frame, Night Sights, DA/SA, SRT & Short Reach Trigger *** w/ GGI Trigger Action work. Sweet DA |
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Some people like the "bling"...
********************************************** Could I get you some fresh cheese to go with your whine, sir? |
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Thank you, Sigfreund, for the photo and endorsement of our FAT rods! That's most kind of you.
It's true that the supposed advantages of various solid recoil rods are fairly minor. A solid guide rod won't restore youthful vitality, increase velocity or double your shooting skills. It's true that poorer-quality rods can and do cause some potential issues. That can also be said for factory SIG plastic rods with any springs, and hollow tube rods with after-market single-strand springs as well. In the interest of shameless marketing, I can speak for our P-series FAT rods by saying I believe them to be the best available by a long shot. They are made from proper material, heat treated to RC47 to prevent deformation, galling and ringing. They are indestuctible in normal use and guaranteed for life. Our rods are beautifully made and polished. Besides excellent quality and a lifetime guarantee, another key difference between our FAT rods and all the others is, ours are made to maximum diameter to fit each spring the rod is intended for, to support that spring and increase it's service life. This is more than a speculative marketing gimmick; our rods won't let single-strand springs jump a coil out the front of the slide, and will preserve tension in factory springs longer than smaller rods. Thanks! -Bruce (shop.grayguns.com) "We are but God's hands." -Beki Bruce Gray, President Grayguns Inc. Grayguns.com |
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sigfreund and Grayguns,
Excellent posts. I learned something from each of you. The Grayguns FAT rods are beautiful. I don’t doubt they are top quality. I believe our AZ member hit it on the head with the word “bling.” And that is not a bad thing in a competition, target or range gun! I appreciate the fact you state “the supposed advantages of various solid recoil rods are fairly minor.” I appreciate honesty in advertising. You also make a good point about inferior made aftermarket rods (and springs). I wish I had saved a brass solid rod I took out of a duty gun years ago – terrible quality. That said, if I was going to use a solid guide rod in a SIG pistol, sigfreund would be a good place to go for advice. The FAT rods win hands down for looks! However, for a carry or duty gun, I still think it best to stay with all factory parts. I have never seen any quality problems with the P228, P226 or P229 SIGs. It has been my experience that problems specific to a particular pistol are fixable with factory parts. I have been very consistent with my position in several posts on this Board. As most will note, my main emphasis is with duty or carry guns. Early on I noted comments about SIG plastic guide rods. I have never seen this variation. I called SIG today and learned “polymer” guide rods are now standard in all SIG pistols; the change started in January of this year. SIG does not stock any of the metal guide rods, however, the customer service representative said the metal rods could still be found with SIG stocking dealers. He also said it was OK to replace a SIG polymer guide rod with a SIG metal rod. I do not have an opinion on the new polymer guide rods. I can certainly see problems if the owners continually remove and reinstall the recoil spring as that causes problems using the metal rods. If the polymer rods start having widespread problems (Blue mentioned a few reports), I would certainly re-think my position. My first choice would be the SIG metal guide rods as I have seen these perform with thousands of rounds trouble free. It may be the SIG polymer rods are going to need replacing every 3000 to 5000 rounds, just like the recoil springs. Let’s see if the polymer guide rods are added to the SIG maintenance kit. Any disagreements we have are really minor and provide information to all readers so they can make the best decision for their situation. |
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TD.
Why the red font? It's kinda distracting. Thanks, ---- |
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barnaby,
There is no reason and it does not have an ulterior meaning. I have always used red font when posting. Let me think about it. Maybe I will change. I am not sure how active a poster I will be in the future. This is a great Board with a lot of good members. I have really enjoyed reading the posts and surprised myself with the number of posts I have made. I appreciate your post! |
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Regarding the warranty issue, let's not forget that back in the "good old days" SIG sold factory solid guide rods for the 226 and 220.
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I don't find the red type distracting, TD, but I do find it difficult to read. It's similar to when people post in all caps, don't use punctuation or paragraphs, etc. With some people that makes no difference to me because I have no interest in reading what they have to say in any event. Your posts, however, do contain useful information and I'd like to see what you have to say. The red type makes that difficult and sometimes then I don't bother. “Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.” — Leo Tolstoy |
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I will agree the red font make it hard to see/read.
David P229R 9mm, Nitron, Beavertail Frame, Night Sights, DA/SA, SRT & Short Reach Trigger *** w/ GGI Trigger Action work. Sweet DA |
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I put a GGI Fat guide rod in my P226 for two primary reasons. First, bling. I like the solid look. Second, it's a bit of a test piece for the SuperBlack treatment, which I'm considering for a future GGI project. It's a whole lot cheaper to test it out on a guide rod than on a whole pistol. I'm impressed with the finish thus far, but time will tell the true story.
Most of the advanced shooters on this forum, Bruce included, have mentioned that the additional weight of the solid rod does very little to counter muzzle flip. For that reason, I honestly didn't anticipate any benefit in recoil management. But...I do notice a difference. It may be nothing more than the power of wishful thinking, but the muzzle of my .40 does seem tamer now. I doubt it's a difference you could see even on video, but it definitely has a different feel. YMMV J "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed." - Isaiah 53:5 |
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We may want to keep in mind that Sig offers these items for sale to the general public, and that unless you are an authorized Sig armorer installing these parts, or performing a detail strip, you have voided Sig's warranty. http://sigsauer.com/SigStore/S...ryid=29&productid=31 http://sigsauer.com/SigStore/S...ryid=29&productid=91 Apparently, I've corrupted all of my Sig's warranties. |
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Same here. The SuperBlack quide rod in my P228 is a work of art and very very tough. I'm leaning towards SuperBlack on the whole slide at this point. ---- |
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I don't know about the benefits but I consider my Sigs "heirloom quality" guns as opposed to my polymer guns and as such would prefer not to have plastic parts in them. And I also think the ss guide rods look better
 - ------------------------- P228 Zurich Police, P239, Sig P6 (x3), P225, SigPro SP2022 |
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OK, how about blue font?Just kidding....
Does any remember SIG selling solid guide rods for or with their pistols? If true, it is a new one to me. Does anyone have any old SIG literature, part lists, or a very early P226 or P220 with a SIG solid metal guide rod? I know solid guide rods were not installed in the P228's (remember the old K-Kote finish). Let's explore this topic and see what we can find. |
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I've serviced P220s with solid rods and I've purchased the P228/229 version from SIG as part numbers 34280436 and 1200183.
“Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.” — Leo Tolstoy |
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