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Thank you, lbj, for your information on the issue (and I finally decided it must have been you who told me), and posting the full background here.

Congratulations, BTW, on your success with your "older" but sweet P228. I still remember cringing when it was on the ground at the TR "Fighting Pistol" class. Smile




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Yeah and the exterior still has the battle scars that testify to it being tossed and dashed up the rocks, kinda like the Wreck of the Hesperus.



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...kinda like the Wreck of the Hesperus.


And it's references like this that keep me coming back to the Forum. Thanks lbj (and sigfreund for the info).


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Wreck of the Hesperus, the name Ulysses, some of these bucks around here probably have no idea what we're talking about.

And that's OK and maybe as it should be.



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Wreck of the Hesperus, the name Ulysses, some of these bucks around here probably have no idea what we're talking about.

And that's OK and maybe as it should be.
Well, I'm just a young buck myself but I know Henry's work and certainly understand the reference. I have a couple like that myself. The difference being that mine are still intact - just wearing her scars.

I admit lbj you - and others here - must rejoice in surprising me of your knowledge and experiences.....


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Possibly of further interest.
 
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lbj,

Greetings. I've got a line on a NIB 228 "manufactured in 2001, shipped early 2002". How can I tell if any of the innards need upgrading (new redesigned trigger bar spring plus the newer mainspring, mainspring seat and shorter trigger bar). Can I tell by the grips? Don't have a pic, and the answer to this will not sway my purchase. Probably call SIG with the serial number and ask?

Take care.

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That was me in an email to you.

I was ordering parts from Sigarms errr Sig Sauer about 2 weeks ago.

Guy was very knowledgeable about the exact parts I wanted in order to update an early 90s P228 to a post 2002 P228 which included newer style grips, the new redesigned trigger bar spring plus the newer mainspring, mainspring seat and shorter trigger bar.

Since he seemed to know immediately what I would need, I mentioned that we here at Sigforum were wondering why there is no Sig recommendation for when to replace mainsprings.

He said that in the last 10 years or so and thousands of guns that Sig had had in for repair, less than 10 guns or something were in need of mainspring replacement.
He said it is so rare for the mainspring to fail that that is why there is no recommendation for replacement.

I cannot recall how the conservation came about regarding the 40K though but I think I was told some high round count guns up to 40K were still just fine.

Oh and using my new official armorer skills recently, the rebuild on my P228 went just great BTW and all the parts that Sig sent me were the correct ones in order to update this older P228 to the newer redesigned current models.
 
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http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.asp...oryid=0&productid=31

I've been reading about the need to replace the recoil spring at 5000 rounds, and I am almost there. Seems like I need a main spring too (based on the numbers, not a failure yet). But the kit aboove doesn't seem to come with a main spring. Can someone in the know give me some advice here? I've never replaced anything on my gun. It's about 2 months old and I am about 4500 rounds in. So far it's been virtually flawless. It failed to lock the slide back twice one day when I first got it (less than 500 rounds), and last week, I had a FTE. Otherwise perfect. It's a P226 if it matters. Thanks!!
 
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You do not need to change your mainspring. Just swap out the recoil spring and you're good to go.

Mainspring = hammer spring (and if you look above) it will last well over 40,000 rounds.


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40,000 rounds is what lbj finally got from SIG for the mainspring.
I suppose I should go back an edit my first post for everyone who doesn't read the entire thread.




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You do not need to change your mainspring. Just swap out the recoil spring and you're good to go.

Mainspring = hammer spring (and if you look above) it will last well over 40,000 rounds.


OK, I am going to go with the kit. I swear I read 5000 rounds on the mainspring someplace. Maybe it was already editted to 40K.

Thanks.
 
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As a further observation about rattlin' mags, I do know it's not always due to weak springs. I've experienced it with absolutely new specimens and had the problem disappear after some use.

In fact, my take on the problem is that new magazine tubes often have a lot of internal friction and that prevents the rounds from snugging down into their proper positions, thereby leaving one or two loose to move around. It seems to me I've had more rattling problems with phosphated mags and have had some luck by polishing their interiors to reduce the friction between cartridge and tube.
sigfreund, as always, thank you for sharing your knowledge.

As for mag rattle; other than slapping the sides and back of the mag against your palm, one other technique I've used is when using a magazine loader, such as the HKS, is after loading the first few rounds, double plunge after each successive loaded round. You can hear and feel the rounds settle in. It's usually effective in mitigating the issue.


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Good information...Sticky Request. Smile




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I got two new recoil springs in the mail today so I swapped the old one out. I was very surprised to see how much shorter the old spring was after 4750 rounds through the gun. I may actually be swapping the spring again closer to 3000 rounds next time.

This was a good thread.

 
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AFter only less than 1000 rounds on a new p220 carry, my recoil sping has lost about 3/8" in overall length and the center strand is out about 3/16". This doesn't sound normal - is it?
 
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As you can tell by other posts, the spring will "settle" a bit with use. The center strand does come out a bit and is perfectly normal. It's recommended that the end that has the center strang coming out is put on the guide rod first.


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As you can tell by other posts, the spring will "settle" a bit with use. The center strand does come out a bit and is perfectly normal. It's recommended that the end that has the center strang coming out is put on the guide rod first.


Thanks. But how far does that center strand come out before it is time to replace.
 
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It's recommended the recoil spring be replaced if the center strand moves out from the rest a quarter turn. In my experience that doesn't happen very often; usually the strand moves out to a point and stops.

FWIW, only the recoil spring for the 357 SIG/40 S&W P229 has a central strand. All other multi-wire SIG recoil springs consist of three wires wound around a central axis.




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I was reading about the new 220 takedown lever and can't find the thread now, but I thought it had a lower round count replacement suggestion than the 20,000 in this thread.

If I send in a used stamped slide 220, unknown round count, to SIG for a service plan, or GGI for their action cleanup package, should I install the new takedown lever?

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I was kicking around taking the course but SIG is just too close to spend the money for a course when I could drop it off at the factory. Plus several club members are SIG armorers or employees. Hell, my friend's wife has been building them for twelve years.


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