LCI BROKE ON P229-GUN JAMMED

May 11, 2018, 10:19 PM

PAUL M

Today my P229 Enhanced Elite jammed and I couldn't clear it with the usual Tap and Rack. A piece of the LCI broke off and apparently jammed the weapon. I took the magazine out, and when I reinserted it the gun went back into battery and it worked fine for the rest of the day (although the LCI wouldn't pop up).

Anyone else have this issue? Thank you

May 12, 2018, 06:17 AM

sigfreund

Welcome to the forum.

What’s an “LCI”?

May 12, 2018, 07:07 AM

Patrick-SP2022

quote:
What’s an “LCI”?

Loaded chamber indicator.

May 12, 2018, 08:33 AM

Bulldog7972

I didn't know Sigs had those

May 12, 2018, 10:20 AM

PAUL M

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
Welcome to the forum.

What’s an “LCI”?

Thanks for the welcome.

May 12, 2018, 10:55 AM

qxsoup

OP you must be in California. Sig did an absolutely terrible job with the LCI to make the pistol CA compliant. Do yourself a favor and drive the pin out that holds the LCI in. It is just a simple roll pin. The reason why it won't pop back up is because it moved or something else moved the return spring out of the recess.

May 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

rscalzo

quote:
I didn't know Sigs had those

They are special runs made too order. It rarely works well. One of the reasons the NHSP P220's had issues is due to all of the special requirements placed on the bid. In the end it didn't work and they went with the M&P.

May 12, 2018, 01:44 PM

sigfreund

I’m curious about the California requirement. Is a hole in the top of the barrel hood extension to see if a round is chambered not sufficient?

May 12, 2018, 04:01 PM

qxsoup

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
I’m curious about the California requirement. Is a hole in the top of the barrel hood extension to see if a round is chambered not sufficient?

Unfortunately the overlords of the state of California have determined that brass showing is nowhere near enough. I'm on mobile so I can't post any pictures but there is a huge LOADED WHEN UP billboard on the top of the slide.

May 12, 2018, 06:34 PM

sigfreund

I've seen the indicator that sticks up, but wasn't sure what the California requirements were.

May 16, 2018, 02:53 AM

YooperSigs

Both my 2022s have LCIs. Mine work fine.

May 16, 2018, 09:44 AM

Nipper

OP, welcome to the forum.

If you are in CA, MA or another location with state government mandated requirements, you may want to either put the state (CA, MA, etc.) in your profile Location or mention it when referencing an issue in a post.

This forum is one of the best. There are a lot of members willing to provide knowledgeable responses to member posts. The more info provided, the better and faster the responses.

May 17, 2018, 03:34 PM

jimb888

(Not my photo)

May 26, 2018, 04:41 PM

slosig

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
I’m curious about the California requirement. Is a hole in the top of the barrel hood extension to see if a round is chambered not sufficient?

Nope, neither is the extractor which sticks out a bit when a round is chambered. The geniuses in Sacramento apparently don’t roll with the “Treat all guns as if they are loaded.” and “Know the condition of your firearm.” approaches either.

Those kids cannot possibly graduate from High School and head off to college or life (as they choose) soon enough...

May 26, 2018, 04:59 PM

slosig

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
I've seen the indicator that sticks up, but wasn't sure what the California requirements were.

Currently, to add a new model pistol (or an existing model that has any significant modifications, i.e. M&P 2.0), the model must have a raised Loaded Chamber Indicator (LCI) as pictured above, a magazine disconnect safety (so the gun won’t fire without a magazine inserted), must implement micro stamping of the fired cartridges per the spec (I believe it is a unique to the specific pistol mark on the fired casing in at least two places. I *think* that the firing pin won’t cut it.). There may be additional requirements for what the pistol has to have, but I don’t know of them. Once the manufacturer comes up with such a pistol which has all the warts required to be eligible to be added to the CA roster of not unsafe handguns (or whatever they actually call it), the manufacturer must then send two production copies of said pistol to a CA certified lab for testing. The pistols must fire 2,500 rounds without any malfunctions that are not ammunition related, then must pass some number of drop tests (really stretching here, but I think it is from 4’ onto a concrete floor) with primed casings chambered. If the pistol gets through all that, then the manufacturer can pay the state $5,000 per year to include the pistol on the roster.

As long as a manufacturer continues to pay the $5,000 per year for a pistol that was accepted onto the roster, it can stay on, even through it may not have all the warts that have been added to the requirement list once it was added. This is why gen 3 Glocks are on the roster and are available in CA to non-LEOs (LEOs are exempt from the roster and can buy whatever they want) and gen 4 and gen 5 are not and likely never will be.

The roster is just another attempt by the GDCs to prevent CA residents from exercising their 2A rights.

ETA: Cosmetic differences are enough to create another model, requiring another couple of pistols for testing and another $5,000 per year in fees to the state. Ie, a p229r BSS (black) and a p229r two tone are two different models. Likewise a different caliber is a different model and requires another round of testing and another fee to the state. For instance, the SP2022 in .40 S&W and the SP2022 in 9mm are two different entries. In one small bright spot, they determined that having contrast sight vs night sights does not create a new model.

May 30, 2018, 08:28 PM

Modern Day Savage

quote:
Originally posted by slosig:
quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
I've seen the indicator that sticks up, but wasn't sure what the California requirements were.

Currently, to add a new model pistol (or an existing model that has any significant modifications, i.e. M&P 2.0), the model must have a raised Loaded Chamber Indicator (LCI) as pictured above, a magazine disconnect safety (so the gun won’t fire without a magazine inserted), must implement micro stamping of the fired cartridges per the spec (I believe it is a unique to the specific pistol mark on the fired casing in at least two places. I *think* that the firing pin won’t cut it.). There may be additional requirements for what the pistol has to have, but I don’t know of them. Once the manufacturer comes up with such a pistol which has all the warts required to be eligible to be added to the CA roster of not unsafe handguns (or whatever they actually call it), the manufacturer must then send two production copies of said pistol to a CA certified lab for testing. The pistols must fire 2,500 rounds without any malfunctions that are not ammunition related, then must pass some number of drop tests (really stretching here, but I think it is from 4’ onto a concrete floor) with primed casings chambered. If the pistol gets through all that, then the manufacturer can pay the state $5,000 per year to include the pistol on the roster.

As long as a manufacturer continues to pay the $5,000 per year for a pistol that was accepted onto the roster, it can stay on, even through it may not have all the warts that have been added to the requirement list once it was added. This is why gen 3 Glocks are on the roster and are available in CA to non-LEOs (LEOs are exempt from the roster and can buy whatever they want) and gen 4 and gen 5 are not and likely never will be.

The roster is just another attempt by the GDCs to prevent CA residents from exercising their 2A rights.

ETA: Cosmetic differences are enough to create another model, requiring another couple of pistols for testing and another $5,000 per year in fees to the state. Ie, a p229r BSS (black) and a p229r two tone are two different models. Likewise a different caliber is a different model and requires another round of testing and another fee to the state. For instance, the SP2022 in .40 S&W and the SP2022 in 9mm are two different entries. In one small bright spot, they determined that having contrast sight vs night sights does not create a new model.

Slogsig, thanks for taking the time to post this explanation of the CA Gun Roster process. I knew that it involved stringent testing of individual models, to the point of being excessive, and I also knew that it involved some serious outlay of cash by gun mfrs. to have their guns placed on the roster. But to read the actual requirements just has me shaking my head and wondering how a government can actually justify such overbearing restrictions and just how long gun mfrs. will continue to go through this amount of hassle to sell their products.