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Okay, so I put 50 rounds through my P250, performed flawlessly. Sent it to todd and CC and it came back looking really good. Had a new Guide rod installed and his CCAS package done.

I'm not saying he is the reason it is messed up at all. I'm merely telling all what has changed.

Now, it will not chamber rounds about 1/4 of the time, remington golden sabres, federal plinking ammo. the slide locks back, the next round does not even hit the feed ramp. Magazine maybe?

When I pull the slide back that last 1/8" it pops the next round up to the right angle and in it goes.

Guide rod spring need to be tighter?

Help me out please!!!


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Contact Todd at CC and let him take care of it. He does back his work. He will pay shipping for warranty work.


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I don't think todd did anything wrong, I'm just wandering if I need to stiffen the guide spring or something since some weight was taken off the slide.

I mean I think it's a simple fix, I just dont know where to start. I'll start by installing the old guide rod I suppose and see how it functions that way.


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What advantage were you seeking when you changed to a guide rod that was not manufactured by SIG? I have never had a problem with a SIG guide rod (and spring).
 
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It was hallow. I put a solid one in.

Never seen a hallow guide rod, and to be honest, don't trust it all that much.

Well I didn't until now. Might have a bit more appreciation for it atm.

The solid stainless rod appears to be a little "beat-up" on the end that makes contact with the barrel. Almost like it is losing contact and slamming back against it. Which I can't imagine is normal.


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I agree that the SIG factory guide rods do not look like the most expensive manufactured part on the pistol - but neither does the trigger bar!

Why is hollow bad? SIG makes thousands and thousands of guns with hollow guide rods. I have never heard of this being an issue.

When I see aftermarket parts replacing factory parts that do not seem to prematurely fail, I always wonder about how much Research and Development went into the design. And how many thousands of rounds were fired in test pistols to prove an advantage.

The one caveat or exclusion to my thoughts is competition or target pistols. This is a completely different arena. Very small modifications or improvements (or even perceived benefits) on a highly tuned target pistol can make a big difference at the end of the match.
 
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Probably the same reason you decide to type in red when black text has proven itself effective for thousand of years.

Because you can, was more looking for help with fixing the problem than someone second guessing my decision.


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Typing in red or black does not alter functionality. The posts are readable.

I was not second guessing your decision; I just wanted to know the basis of your decision. If there is a valid reason to change from a factory part to an aftermarket part, I will make a note of it for future reference. This forum is a place to learn. If you recall, you started this thread; I believe you found the help you were seeking. I and probably everyone else that reads this thread would like to know if changing back to the factory guide rod solved the problem.
 
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Solid guide rods add a little forward weight to the gun, which can reduce recoil and speed up follow-up shots. And some people just like them. I put a solid steel guide rod in a G17, which made for smoother cycling as it didn't flex.

OttoSig, Have you tied firing it with the factory guide rod and spring now that you have it back? That might help you localize the problem.


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I have put the factory back in, but didn't make it up to the range this weekend.

I'll certainly reply to the post and let you know how it turns out.


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Operator81,
I don’t think the SIG pistols need any forward weight, reduced recoil is most likely miniscule, if even measurable and speeding up the cycle rate of any gun is not a good thing unless you really know what you’re doing. Reduced recoil and speeding up the cycle rate – sounds like it does two opposite things! Apparently, some people do just like them. I do not disagree with you on that count.

I have no problem with something like this being used in a competition or target gun. It is probably fine for a range only gun. But you are asking for problems and will probably void any SIG warranty or backing if out of warranty should something negative occur. I believe buying extra practice ammo would be a better investment.

I would not use anything but a SIG recoil guide rod (and spring) in a duty or carry gun. Why add a potential function problem to a very fine pistol when it serves no purpose.

What type of SIG is a G17?

OttoSig – I do hope the SIG recoil guide solves all your problems. I would also make sure you have a serviceable SIG recoil spring installed.
 
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Operator81,
I don’t think the SIG pistols need any forward weight, reduced recoil is most likely miniscule, if even measurable and speeding up the cycle rate of any gun is not a good thing unless you really know what you’re doing. Reduced recoil and speeding up the cycle rate – sounds like it does two opposite things! Apparently, some people do just like them. I do not disagree with you on that count.

I have no problem with something like this being used in a competition or target gun. It is probably fine for a range only gun. But you are asking for problems and will probably void any SIG warranty or backing if out of warranty should something negative occur. I believe buying extra practice ammo would be a better investment.

I would not use anything but a SIG recoil guide rod (and spring) in a duty or carry gun. Why add a potential function problem to a very fine pistol when it serves no purpose.

What type of SIG is a G17?

OttoSig – I do hope the SIG recoil guide solves all your problems. I would also make sure you have a serviceable SIG recoil spring installed.


Are you dense? I never said Sigs "need" extra weight up front, only that the solid guide rod "adds" forward weight, which some people like. And while you may not believe it, a little extra weight in the front does reduce "felt" recoil for some shooters.

Never did I mention anything about a solid guide rod speeding up the cycle rate, if you had actually read my post you'd have seen that.

The solid guide rod I added to my G17 (Thats a Glock 17, 9mm) made for a "smoother" (not faster) recoiling pistol as the rod didn't flex under recoil like the factory plastic. Again, preference.


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Yes I can read. And I will stand by my post. As far as being dense – perhaps, but I am not the one spending money to install non-factory parts in my guns that serve no purpose other than to beg for functioning problems. If you like the cosmetic look - go for it. Just don’t claim any real benefit to those looking for information on the subject because none exists.

Let me be dense one more time for those that carry a SIG pistol as part of their official duties or to protect self and family: I would not use anything but a SIG recoil guide rod (and spring) in a duty or carry gun.

I don’t know much about Glock pistols. Perhaps this accessory is required with that brand.
 
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You're welcome to stand by your post, that's your opinion. Based on some of your other posts, I'll stand by mine.


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Just my guess on a couple FTFs I had with my 45 compact.

1) Tight chamber on the new caliber conversion that worked in with function/running of the firearm.
2) Tight fit of the recoil spring on the plastic recoil rod impeding action, also worked in with function/running of the firearm.

FWIW the full size 45 uses a steel guide rod.
 
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