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They want to keep chipping away at our gun rights.

September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.–President Barack Obama in San Francisco at a 2008 fundraiser.
While high profile issues like passage of a healthcare reform bill and cap and trade energy tax are getting front page headlines and top billing by television talking heads, be very wary of stealth legislation slowly working its way through Congress to restrict gun ownership.
Passage of either of two bills, HR 45 (also known as Blair-Holt Firearm Licensing and Record Sale Act of 2009) and S 1317, would be a devastating blow to Second Amendment rights.
HR 45, introduced by Rep. Bobby Rush, would make it illegal to own a gun unless you are fingerprinted and can provide a driver’s license and Social Security number.
Additionally under HR 45, a person buying a gun would have to undergo both a physical and mental evaluation before making a firearm purchase. It also would require guns be secured from access by children under age 18, and would empower law enforcement officers to come into your home to check compliance.
S 1317, introduced by Sen. Frank Lautenburg, would give the attorney general the right to block gun sales to people on terror watch lists. A third bill, HR 2647, contains a companion clause to S 1317 that gives the attorney general the authority to determine who belongs on terrorist watch lists.
And who are the terrorists? In Obamaworld it’s not the Islamo-fascists flying airliners into buildings, planting improvised explosive devices (IEDs) or strapping bombs to their waists and setting them off in crowded areas.
No, because in Obamaworld, the word terrorism no longer applies to those who were once called terrorists. And those who used to be considered terrorists no longer commit acts of terrorism. No they commit man-caused disasters. The word terrorist, at least in its past usage, has been dropped from the lexicon.
Today’s terrorists, according to those now in power in the United States, are people in flyover country who believe the Constitution is sacrosanct, and that the Second Amendment actually means that people are free to own guns without restriction.
Our own country’s Department of Homeland Security issued an assessment earlier this year warning law enforcement of a possible rise in home-grown terrorism from “right wing extremists.” And who are those rightwing extremists? The assessment tell us: “Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
As we’ve reported before in related stories here and here the current administration is no friend to gun owners.
And what does Eric Holder—attorney general for the United States and the person who would under S 1317 be granted the authority to determine who belongs on terrorist watch groups—think about guns?
Following are few of his quotes that have appeared in various newspapers over the last few years:
“As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons.”
“The second amendment does not protect firearms possession or use that is unrelated to participation in a well-regulated militia.”
“To further strengthen the ability of law enforcement officials to track those suspected of terrorism or other criminal acts in this country, Congress should also pass legislation that would give the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms a record of every firearm sale.”
Holder’s boss, the president, is equally unfriendly to gun owners. Writing for Gun Digest last October, gun lobbyist Richard A. Pearson called Obama an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. You can read his article here.
Some of Obama’s own quotes, as they have appeared in various publications, will back this up:
“I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.”
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
“The package (legislation passed in the Illinois Senate) closes the Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card loopholes which resulted in the shooting out in Melrose Park. We’re eliminating 17 specific assault weapons. There is no reason why anybody should need an assault weapon to protect themselves or their family. We’re limiting handgun sales to one a month. We’re calling for handgun registration. It’s very hard right now to track whether or not a felon has turned in his weapons or if he has a FOID card because we don’t know how many weapons he has purchased.”
Without a doubt, the current administration is the most anti-gun administration in our nation’s history. Don’t let the hullabaloo over healthcare and cap and trade cause you to let your guard down.
And be sure you cling to your guns and religion. They may soon be all you have.

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Man... for something that is so secret and under the radar, I'm awfully sick and tired of hearing about it.


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Even the "Bubbas" that live part-time in my FFL's shop aren't talking about this anymore.

Personally, I think it was Para putting the brakes on enforcing the waiver requirements on new members that has led to this mess. We should start making them all read and sign it again.

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Gomar,

Thank you for your interest in protecting the Second Amendment.

This topic has been posted hundreds of times in the last few months by well meaning people. Usually well meaning people who (1) didn't look to see if it was posted prevopisly, and (2) who didn't research the billin question to determine its status.

This bill has been around for a long time and has never even made it to consideration by the Subcommittee. It has no sponsors, no support in the Congress, and would be classed as dead on arrival if it had ever been alive in the first place.

Let me suggest that when you come across a story about legilsation affecting firearms rights at the federal level, you search through this section of the forum to see if it has been discussed, before posting about it.




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FFS. Does no one ever read stuff?




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Yes,it would be cool if the author would defend his position on his article written September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston.

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Yes,it would be cool if the author would defend his position on his article written September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston.

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it would be even more cool if you'd do a search using the term 'Blair Holt' Roll Eyes

For instance: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...1935/m/321104831/p/1




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Yes,it would be cool if the author would defend his position on his article written September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston.

email http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/


it would be even more cool if you'd do a search using the term 'Blair Holt' Roll Eyes

Obviously Bob Livingston is a legitimate source,why don't you do a search first before before connecting Bob Livingston with bogus chain email.Roll Eyes

For instance: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...1935/m/321104831/p/1
 
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Yes,it would be cool if the author would defend his position on his article written September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston.

email http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/


it would be even more cool if you'd do a search using the term 'Blair Holt' Roll Eyes

Obviously Bob Livingston is a legitimate source,why don't you do a search first before before connecting Bob Livingston with bogus chain email.Roll Eyes

For instance: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...1935/m/321104831/p/1


Apparently he isn't a very well informed legitimate source. Or he is just being a troll. Don't care who he is. Next month, maybe he'll do an op-ed piece on how the .gov is destroying all of its brass and putting GA Arms out of business.......

That is the kind of bullshit that spreads lies amongst the firearms community. The same kind of "truth" that Jesse and Al promote.


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Gomar,

Thank you for your interest in protecting the Second Amendment.

This topic has been posted hundreds of times in the last few months by well meaning people. Usually well meaning people who (1) didn't look to see if it was posted prevopisly, and (2) who didn't research the billin question to determine its status.

This bill has been around for a long time and has never even made it to consideration by the Subcommittee. It has no sponsors, no support in the Congress, and would be classed as dead on arrival if it had ever been alive in the first place.

Let me suggest that when you come across a story about legilsation affecting firearms rights at the federal level, you search through this section of the forum to see if it has been discussed, before posting about it.


2340,

Kudos to you on a very well thought out response. Very nice, man.


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Man... for something that is so secret and under the radar, I'm awfully sick and tired of hearing about it.


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Yes,it would be cool if the author would defend his position on his article written September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston.

email http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/


it would be even more cool if you'd do a search using the term 'Blair Holt' Roll Eyes

Obviously Bob Livingston is a legitimate source,why don't you do a search first before before connecting Bob Livingston with bogus chain email.Roll Eyes

For instance: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...1935/m/321104831/p/1


I don't care who Bob Livingstone is. The point is that this rubbish has been posted over and over ad nauseum for the past year by every newish member who thinks they're the first one with this stunning news, we've all been asleep at the switch, and it's just, by God, about to happen.

Well, it ain't, it never has been, and it never will. It's not 'under the radar', it's not a secret, and it's been known about on this forum for months and months and posted about over and over again.

SO, Mr. Gomar, if you'd care to complete the suggested search using either 'Blair Holt' or 'HR 45' you will be rewarded with several pages of 'hot off the press' drivel about this rubbish.




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Yes,it would be cool if the author would defend his position on his article written September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston.

email http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/


it would be even more cool if you'd do a search using the term 'Blair Holt' Roll Eyes

Obviously Bob Livingston is a legitimate source,why don't you do a search first before before connecting Bob Livingston with bogus chain email.Roll Eyes

For instance: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...1935/m/321104831/p/1


I don't care who Bob Livingstone is. The point is that this rubbish has been posted over and over ad nauseum for the past year by every newish member who thinks they're the first one with this stunning news, we've all been asleep at the switch, and it's just, by God, about to happen.

Well, it ain't, it never has been, and it never will. It's not 'under the radar', it's not a secret, and it's been known about on this forum for months and months and posted about over and over again.

SO, Mr. Gomar, if you'd care to complete the suggested search using either 'Blair Holt' or 'HR 45' you will be rewarded with several pages of 'hot off the press' drivel about this rubbish.



Mr. Widge, you can take your search of 'Blair Holt' or 'HR 45'and shove them up your ass you condescending bastard,further more those two issues were not my focus in this matter.That is something you came up with thinking it would be cute.Dont think for a minute the neo-coms couldn't ram rod a bill through as they see fit.Who is going to stop them.
 
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Yes,it would be cool if the author would defend his position on his article written September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston.

email http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/


it would be even more cool if you'd do a search using the term 'Blair Holt' Roll Eyes

Obviously Bob Livingston is a legitimate source,why don't you do a search first before before connecting Bob Livingston with bogus chain email.Roll Eyes

For instance: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...1935/m/321104831/p/1


I don't care who Bob Livingstone is. The point is that this rubbish has been posted over and over ad nauseum for the past year by every newish member who thinks they're the first one with this stunning news, we've all been asleep at the switch, and it's just, by God, about to happen.

Well, it ain't, it never has been, and it never will. It's not 'under the radar', it's not a secret, and it's been known about on this forum for months and months and posted about over and over again.

SO, Mr. Gomar, if you'd care to complete the suggested search using either 'Blair Holt' or 'HR 45' you will be rewarded with several pages of 'hot off the press' drivel about this rubbish.



Mr. Widge, you can take your search of 'Blair Holt' or 'HR 45'and shove them up your ass you condescending bastard,further more those two issues were not my focus in this matter.That is something you came up with thinking it would be cute.Dont think for a minute the neo-coms couldn't ram rod a bill through as they see fit.Who is going to stop them.


Wow.


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Yes,it would be cool if the author would defend his position on his article written September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston.

email http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/


it would be even more cool if you'd do a search using the term 'Blair Holt' Roll Eyes

Obviously Bob Livingston is a legitimate source,why don't you do a search first before before connecting Bob Livingston with bogus chain email.Roll Eyes

For instance: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...1935/m/321104831/p/1


I don't care who Bob Livingstone is. The point is that this rubbish has been posted over and over ad nauseum for the past year by every newish member who thinks they're the first one with this stunning news, we've all been asleep at the switch, and it's just, by God, about to happen.

Well, it ain't, it never has been, and it never will. It's not 'under the radar', it's not a secret, and it's been known about on this forum for months and months and posted about over and over again.

SO, Mr. Gomar, if you'd care to complete the suggested search using either 'Blair Holt' or 'HR 45' you will be rewarded with several pages of 'hot off the press' drivel about this rubbish.



Mr. Widge, you can take your search of 'Blair Holt' or 'HR 45'and shove them up your ass you condescending bastard,further more those two issues were not my focus in this matter.That is something you came up with thinking it would be cute.Dont think for a minute the neo-coms couldn't ram rod a bill through as they see fit.Who is going to stop them.


Man, you need to calm down before you pop a vein. What was your focus then, apart from just trolling and throwing around a few insults?




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