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What would be extremely interesting is:

1. A comparison of crime rates in England, Scotland, and Wales with crime rates in Ireland and other areas of where firearms ownership has not declined.

2. An analysis of the types of guns being used in criminal acts. If the majority are handguns, one must ask the source of those handguns.

3. Information on the number of firearms smuggling events that are interdicted. I maintain that if drug cabals can bring in large volumes of illegal drugs, bringing in guns is easy.



True!

But the idea was that banning guns would do something to deter crime, which it has plainly not. I agree that England is not the US, but the supposition that banning guns does X Y and Z has not borne fruit in England, where the intent was to do this to deter violent crime
 
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If you commit a crime and get caught it is reasonable to think that you will go to court, be prosecuted and pay the price for your actions.
Not necessarily.

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Cautions are formal warnings, issued at the discretion of the police if the offender admits his guilt. However, an investigation by BBC's Panorama has found concern right across the criminal justice system - from defence and prosecution lawyers, to magistrates and even judges - that these out-of-court punishments are increasingly being used for more serious crimes than originally intended. Our research found cases of burglary, child neglect, sexual assault and even rape which were dealt with by caution in 2008.

Hold on! This sounds like Monty Python

"You there! Come here! What's all this then?"

"Beggin yer pardon squire. I was doin a bit of burglary is all"

"Burglary eh? Whats this about?"

"Money squire. Since I has none I needs some, don't I? Sorry about the mess, but that's windows for you, isn't it?"

"Quite. Well, this is a serious breach. I warn you, unless you give this up I may have to consider arresting you. I don't mind saying, that's serious business"

"Right you was squire. I am sorry. Here, hand me that broom will you?"

"Piss off and get it yourself, scum!"
 
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Ran into a brit the other day at church who served in the royal army and air force, but moved here and has become a U.S. citizen because freedom has been so eroded over there; he said little did he know he would be facing the same struggle over here, with the current administration!

Very interesting bloke to talk to.


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Well, they are still handing out sentences in Great Britain.

Unfortunately, those sentences are being doled out to the people that common sense would least dictate.

Insane? Yes. But very predictable. I address this article to absolutely ANY discussion regarding notions of 'common sense' gun laws.

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Ex-soldier faces jail for handing in gun
Saturday, November 14, 2009, 12:15

A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for "doing his duty".

Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year.

The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year's imprisonment for handing in the weapon.

In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: "I didn't think for one moment I would be arrested.

"I thought it was my duty to hand it in and get it off the streets."

The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden.

In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges.

"I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him.

"At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall."

Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells.

Defending, Lionel Blackman told the jury Mr Clarke's garden backs onto a public green field, and his garden wall is significantly lower than his neighbours.

He also showed jurors a leaflet printed by Surrey Police explaining to citizens what they can do at a police station, which included "reporting found firearms".

Quizzing officer Garnett, who arrested Mr Clarke, he asked: "Are you aware of any notice issued by Surrey Police, or any publicity given to, telling citizens that if they find a firearm the only thing they should do is not touch it, report it by telephone, and not take it into a police station?"

To which, Mr Garnett replied: "No, I don't believe so."

Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a "strict liability" charge – therefore Mr Clarke's allegedly honest intent was irrelevant.

Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.

But despite this, Mr Blackman urged members of the jury to consider how they would respond if they found a gun.

He said: "This is a very small case with a very big principle.

"You could be walking to a railway station on the way to work and find a firearm in a bin in the park.

"Is it unreasonable to take it to the police station?"

Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.

Judge Christopher Critchlow said: "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge.

"The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."


 
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What I find interesting is that in a nation that has banned all guns now finds it necessary to issue SUB MACHINE GUNS to their police patrols. To me this is clear evidence that the statement "an Armed Society is a Polite Society" is quite true.


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I highly recommend a book documenting how gun regulations in England worsened the crime rates. It is by Joyce Malcolm, PhD Guns and Violence: The English Experience
another book by this pro-2nd amendment professor is
To Keep and Bear Arms: The Origins of an Anglo-American Right



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