How many BPD cops are there on this board. How many of you are willing to go into a gunfight with a handgun while the bad guy(s) has(ave) automatic or semi-automatic long guns? Has anyone not learned from history?

LAPD's Hollywood Bank Robbery comes to mind right away. Columbine High School comes to mind second.

I cringe to think that the officers who may go down as a result of beiong outgunned will have to pay in blood before you are properly prepared to do business well. I'll bet that many of BPD's finest may step up to the plate out of a sense of duty (hopefully, as I know no one there), but keep your head down!!!

Aw hell, I see the diplodunk escorts with thier AT-4's all the time.

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Originally posted by beefangusbeef:
That's the shame. No police force in the US needs to be armed with anti-armor weapons. That's crossing the line between police force and military. What's next defensive claymores at "sensitive" sites? Hell why stop there, might as well go all out and arm them with javelin systems as well.

Gee, I've seen an AR hanging in a cruiser belonging to the podunk town 15 miles from here... and Boston can't have something similar? Sheesh.

Not completely related but how long is someone allowed to be "mayor of the shi##y (mayor Kevin White speak ca "72 to '81) of Boston?" I left Mass in '99 and Menino was mayor. I graduated from Northeastern in '94 and he was mayor then as well. It's 2009 and he is still mayor. Short of Curly this guy must be one of the longest sitting mayors of that "shi##y."

Best,

Dave

I believe every police car in Denver has an AR15 in the trunk. They don't walk around with it, but if a situation arises, they don't have to find the nearest gun shop and ask to borrow one like they did in the LA bank shootings.
They also allow individual officers to purchase their own and use it if it is on the approved list.
Now they have had a couple go missing when the officer grabbed some flares and left his trunk open, or pulled a bunch of things out and didn't load it all back up before driving away, but it's nothing special, not class III or anything.

I Carry an AR with me on duty and we only have reserve officers and a town of about 500 people....Recently Columbus had a guy shooting up the campus area ( Near The Ohio State University) with an AK-47 with an 100 round drum mag. He shot and injured 2 officer, one in the vest the other in the face from 1500 yards. The guys that made the difference were the regular patrol officers that had AR-15s. By the time SWAT showed up it was all over. The suspect had committed suicide after taking a .223 round in the face. CPD will issue a rifle to any officer who qualifies expert or above with their duty weapon and qualifies with the AR, if they don't make expert or above they get the AR taken way. I cant fathom why a major city, one more major then Columbus Ohio, would not arm their officers to combat the potential threat.

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Originally posted by copboy:
....I cant fathom why a major city, one more major then Columbus Ohio, would not arm their officers to combat the potential threat.

None of us here on SF can either, but then again we're not total idiots like Mayor Thomas Menino.

I'm a reserve LEO in a primarly rural agency. All squads - including ours - have an 870, and the full timers are also issued semi-auto RRA ARs. We reserves can bring our own ARs on duty once we've taken the three-day patrol rifle course. I have "a few" ARs but I'm still waiting for the next class.

I see no reason for a police officer to carry a rifle on his person as part of his normal everyday business. In the trunk sure, but there's no great need to have one slung on you in that line of work.

The answer for the mayor is simple though - Mini-14.

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Originally posted by marlinspike:
I see no reason for a police officer to carry a rifle on his person as part of his normal everyday business. In the trunk sure, but there's no great need to have one slung on you in that line of work.

The answer for the mayor is simple though - Mini-14.

I don't think any one is saying for the officers to carry them slung during normal patrol. It is like you said carrying them in their vehicle either in the trunk or in a rack in the cabin. I have seen on the news where officers will have them slung during certin events IE. terror alerts in NYC and the like.

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Originally posted by copboy:
He shot and injured 2 officer, one in the vest the other in the face from 1500 yards. The guys that made the difference were the regular patrol officers that had AR-15s.

How did that happen?

1500 yards would be an extremely lucky/unlucky shot with an AK (we're talking more than twice the generally agreed upon effective-distance for aimed fire from an AK). And to make two hits at that range?

Did you mean 150 yards?

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Originally posted by Sigmund:
http://news.bostonherald.com/n..._bpd_despite_arrest/

Mayor Menino: No assault rifles for BPD despite arrest
When the U.S. military offered free M-16s to Boston police last spring, the department requested 140 of the rifles but later shelved its plan of arming patrol officers with them due to backlash from community leaders.

“We have never picked them up,” Driscoll said of the assault rifles, adding they are ‘’not one of (Commissioner Edward Davis’) priorities right now.”

Menino isn't an idiot, he's a coward who's intimidated by idiots.

All Tom Menino has to do is got to Logan airport and see what he 'fears'

I live in Boston. Menino is a fear-monger. He advocates buy-back programs. He advocates non-issuance of concealed carry permits. Take a look at those two polar opposites:

Buy back programs: designed to get illegal guns off the streets. So you reward the folks you think are potential or even current criminals; you thank them, here's money, have a nice day! And of course- if the guns were legally owned, you could sell them legally without this program, wink wink nudge nudge but its ok, we'll ignore that part becasue we care for your esteem and well being, potential or current criminal malefactor.

Non-issuance of CCP: yes, you jumped through all the hoops to get a Class A High Capacity permit. Congratulations. We will not allow you to use that handgun in self-defense on the same streets in neighborhoods we say are dangerous enough to need buy-back programs. Oh, and if you live someplace else? Sure, carry concealed legally, no problems. Only Boston residents who are legally registered are restricted. We say law-abiding people are as dangerous as the people we need to buy guns back from. So don't let us catch you carrying in Boston if you live here, where crime is high enough that we consider it a top priority to curb violence, we don't care about your safety much, Mr or Mrs law-abiding citizen

can somebody please reconcile that logic for me? Because I've tried and it makes my head hurt. Boston is an old Indian word that means: city of politicians that give criminals cash while restricting my rights.

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Originally posted by copboy:

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Originally posted by marlinspike:
I see no reason for a police officer to carry a rifle on his person as part of his normal everyday business. In the trunk sure, but there's no great need to have one slung on you in that line of work.

The answer for the mayor is simple though - Mini-14.

I don't think any one is saying for the officers to carry them slung during normal patrol. It is like you said carrying them in their vehicle either in the trunk or in a rack in the cabin. I have seen on the news where officers will have them slung during certin events IE. terror alerts in NYC and the like.

Nobody is, that's the thing

I heard radio spots that were saying "fully automatic M16 machine guns" (that's a quote) were offered, and hizzoner refused those fully automatic machine guns.

BPD has shotguns too. I never see the cop down the street walking his beat with one slung over his shoulder- on the same block from which I directed an ambulance to the store clerk who had been stabbed during a robbery, by the way, and half a mile from where there was a drug-bust shootout over the summer- right on the street in the afternoon! But you know what they say about common sense- it ain't so common. You may say that Mr. Menino is quite an uncommon specimen using that criteria

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Originally posted by LDD:

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Originally posted by copboy:
He shot and injured 2 officer, one in the vest the other in the face from 1500 yards. The guys that made the difference were the regular patrol officers that had AR-15s.

How did that happen?

1500 yards would be an extremely lucky/unlucky shot with an AK (we're talking more than twice the generally agreed upon effective-distance for aimed fire from an AK). And to make two hits at that range?

Did you mean 150 yards?

I should clarify. The first officer was hit with a shot from a hand gun as the suspect exited the vehicle then fled to his apartment. The second shot was yes 150 yards ( fat fingered the keys) the round struck the hood of the cruiser ( left about a 2 inch long gash) and skipped up through the windshield.

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Originally posted by copboy:

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Originally posted by LDD:

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Originally posted by copboy:
He shot and injured 2 officer, one in the vest the other in the face from 1500 yards. The guys that made the difference were the regular patrol officers that had AR-15s.

How did that happen?

1500 yards would be an extremely lucky/unlucky shot with an AK (we're talking more than twice the generally agreed upon effective-distance for aimed fire from an AK). And to make two hits at that range?

Did you mean 150 yards?

I should clarify. The first officer was hit with a shot from a hand gun as the suspect exited the vehicle then fled to his apartment. The second shot was yes 150 yards ( fat fingered the keys) the round struck the hood of the cruiser ( left about a 2 inch long gash) and skipped up through the windshield.

Thanks for the extra details. Sounds like both survived.

150 yards and under pressure of hostile fire, is definitely outside the ability of most pistol shooters. It's another good case for the patrol rifle.

First officer was treated and released. The second was held over night for observation and they are still trying to figure out if they are going to remove the remains of the 7.62 round from next to his jaw. Both are back on duty.