I've been pulled over four times while carrying. Twice for no front license plate, ahd twice for speeding. I had the front bumper cover replaced and the shop didn't put the license plate back on. I wasn't going to take a drill to a $2000 repair job and it took a few months to get back to the shop for them to do it. Ohio is a "must inform" state. I will say that each time the officers have been professional and some even asked about what I was carrying.
I'm aware that my CCW comes up when they run my plate. But I think informing the officer reinforces in their mind that you're one of the "good guys." Only once was I written a ticket and that was for a seat belt violation. I was initially pulled over for driving 78 MPH in a 60 MPH speed zone. So I considered the seat belt ticket acceptable as the fine would've been much worse with the speeding violation and added points to my license.
As Kevin mentioned, my cc, issued in my state, WV is noted via drivers license, my index finger prints also. The law knows when they run the license what the deal is.
It's best to tell the lawman what's up. I'd like that courtesy if I was in their shoes.
As much as I hate to say it, sometimes you lose to the battle to win the war. I'd let him disarm me, let him conduct his business, wish a good night and god speed, then file a complaint the next day with the Chief. Sucks I know, but you take one for the team so the next guy does not get asked (assuming the Chief corrects).
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I was pulled for speeding a couple years ago. I informed him per NC laws and he asked to have my weapon. My wife was in the passenger seat and he was on her side so I was very careful to not point the weapon towards her when handing it to him. (this is why I think its dumb idea to ask a legal CCW holder for their weapon) What is the first thing he does? Points the gun directly at her and walks away.
When he came back on my side of the car I told him what he had done he did not seem to care. So I ask him politely what is the law about me giving him my weapon. He went straight on the defensive saying if I ask for your weapon you better give it to me. I said politely, I never said I would not give you my weapon I just wanted clarification on the law. He was pissed I was asking questions tossed my weapon in the back floor board and said is there anything else?
We called and spoke to the SGT on duty. He was very nice and said he was sorry the Trooper was rude and wanted to know if we wanted to file formal charges. We said no, he said he would personally have a talk with the Trooper and remind him that he is lucky folks like us have our CCW. And also to remind him their were plenty of other people that would want his job.
I never minded him asking for my weapon my problem was him swiping my wife, not caring about doing it and his attitude when I asked simple questions that should get simple answers.
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Just out of curiosity's sake, what are you going to complain about?
"Make it a shooting, and not a gunfight" LSP552 02/19/2011
"There are only two reasons why a proven technique doesn't work under stress: the shooter isn't adequately trained in it's application, or he/she doesn't really believe it will work because he/she is programmed for failure to begin with." BG
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As with most things in life, it depends on the professionalism / courtesy displayed by both the officer and civilian being disarmed.
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Rarely did I disarm someone I had pulled over. The weapon was in a holster and safe, why would I tempt fate?
Negative. I carry under the authority of HR218 or LEOSA and nothing is tied to my plates.
Like I said, if it makes the interaction quicker and the Officer feel more comfortable then have at it.
Gun goes in the holster, Ego goes in the safe.
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For the proles our concealed carry permit is linked to our DL and a dispatcher can run the owner the plate is listed to.
The right to keep and bear arms, military arms, shall not be infringed -- period!
I know that.
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I do what the officer instructs me to do.
If I feel it is dangerous, or may incur some miscommunication, I make sure we both understand that I'm going to comply - but only in a safe manner. I'm not going to get argumentative or belligerent. It's their call, not mine.
In my experience here in Arizona, officers simply do not ask. Not long ago, I placed a 'man with a gun' call, who discharged it in a parking lot after a fistfight. Officers arrived after perp left.
The officer asked me to describe what happened. At the point I told him the perp had stopped and looked at me, gun in hand, he asked me what I'd have done if the perp had pointed his gun at me. I told him that I'd have killed him. Not the best answer in retrospect, but the officer didn't ask me how, if I was armed, or if I had a firearm. Didn't even look to my hip. He knew I was armed - and simply didn't care. His response?
I love Arizona.
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Speak for yourself. CHP holders are not "flagged" here, so why the hell would I turn a no-biggie traffic stop into one of these comedies of errors we see here?
If they ask I'll be honset, but I'll be damned if I volunteer that information. The less time this takes, the sooner I can go about my business and the sooner the cop can go back to fleecing the other commuters.
I think most people here are missing the point. If your state does not require you to notify the law at once that you are carrying or not carrying that's fine but when you are in a state that does require you to notify the law that you ARE carrying you better do it. It is your responsibility to know the laws in whatever state you are in. If you or your car was searched and a gun was found you could be in some hot water. In MI. you are required to notify regardless of what state you are from. It's just common sense folks.
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Lets break it down!
Free State? yes? Keep your mouth shut if your time is valuable.
no? You have to inform, prole, no choice. Deal with it.
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The 2 times I've been stopped I handed my permit first and then the rest of my documents. First was a rookie officer that got really nervous but his training officer was right behind him and told him to relax and stay observant.
2nd officer just said don't touch yours and he wouldn't touch his.
I would be VERY reluctant to touch a firearm during a stop even if ordered to. I think I would tell the officer I did not want to touch my firearm and that I was ok with him getting me out of the car and securing me in any manner that made him feel safe. Then he could remove the weapon and secure it as well.
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Last time I was stopped while carrying I didn't yet have my CCW. The officer asked me to check my pistol, and picked it up off the dash and swung the cylinder open.
When he brought it back, he handed me the revolver and as he was getting ready to leave, the last thing he did was hand me the shells back.
He did tell me that I didn't need to carry around a loaded gun, to which I replied that an unloaded gun wasn't much use. He grinned, said "No, I guess not" and walked away.
No drama, no complaints, and no ticket. (My truck had no tail lights, thanks to a faulty ground wire and an idiot for a repairman )
Here's to the sunny slopes of long ago.
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I'm in a "duty to report" state and if stopped and I was sitting on my wallet and my gun were on my R hip, there is absolutely no way in the world I would remove the gun if the officer asked. Not a chance in hell.
If I were to pull a gun out of my R hip his partner will see me through the passenger window pulling a gun, yell "Gun, gun gun!" and I will end up having a very bad day.
Instead, I'd ask the officer to disarm me and I don't care if my hands are on the hood of the car or not but I'd let him dictate how to do this. My hands will be at 10-2 with my DL, CCW permit and registration in hand when he walks up but if he asks me to disarm myself, I will politely decline and comply with something else that doesn't put him or me at risk.
I don't want any of us to get hurt, let the encounter finish and we all go our merry way. If I did something wrong then I'd admit I owned the ticket or if I didn't do anything wrong, I'd graciously accept it and then tell the judge at my court date.
No need to get stupid or stop thinking at a traffic stop.
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This was my opinion 2 years, almost to the day, ago...and it still stands:
And the courts agree (US 4th Circuit of Appeals, with a dissension):
US v Robinson
Some of these cops you guys talk about wanting to take every gun on traffic stops are going to make some rich people in the 4th district's area.
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Regardless if he wants it, he will have to remove it. Not forcefully mind you, just no way in hell I'm reaching for or touching a weapon during a stop whether he tells me to or not.
When in doubt, pinky out.
i would just comply with the Officers request. He is the law and if he does something against the law, it can be dealt with later. Why put yourself in defiance of an officers request? He does represent the law and its a stretch to think this will ever happen unless you commit a crime.
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