I've been priviliged to vist California a few times and truly enjoy the place. It's too bad the people there are so poorly served by their elected representatives and Governor Schwarzenegger. For a while, I considered retiring in So Cali, but I've decided not to do so. All of our constitutional rights proceed from the Second Amendment, and any government that does not trust its law-abiding citizens with firearms is a government not to be trusted. I will continue to visit and enjoy California, but will also remain a resident of Texas.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Everyone has to make a choice...

Amen.

There's a lot to like about CA and a lot to not like. I love being within 2 hours of either the ocean, the mountains, and the desert. I love the temperate climate and the mild weather (but I'm still waiting for the "Big One"). I love the diversity of cultures and people. Guns are a passion but they're not my whole life. If there ever comes a time when the state of CA takes my guns away, I'll move. In the meantime, I'll find a way to live with the restrictions. If we bitch and moan, it's only because this forum provides us with a glimpse of what it's like in other states.

roustabout - welcome to the forum!

Well, before anyone begins to panic, it doesn't begin for a couple of years, and you can bet your butt that this thing is gonna end up in court, possibly with an injunction stopping it until the legal ramifications are hashed out by the courts. If we vote in the right governor, we might get this thing overturned too. I always knew that our governor was a Kennedy Democrat masquerading as a Republican.

Bellzy

The home value losses you speak of are largely due to an over-inflated housing market. Most foreclosures are in CA due to the way real estate was being handled by the banks there...ala...no doc loans....and letting people borrow on the equity up front. If someone wanted to keep and rent their house...then that is a compromise.

I am talking people vacating the state....and not contributing employment and or sales tax to the state. That would destroy the state and force the government to take a deep look at what happened. As I stated...money talks.

I refuse to live in a state that does not honor the Constitution of the United States of America. I have turned down numerous high paying offers that were in CA, NY, NJ, MA, and Chicago. My freedom is worth more than a higher paycheck.

The fallacy that other states do not offer the same pay wage as CA is exactly that...a fallacy. You may want to check the income levels of all states before making that statement.

CA sets the tone for many other states. Fact is that many of the gun owners in CA were complacent when the bans started. Many are complacent since they already registered their assault weapons. There is NO MECHANISM for anyone moving to CA to register any of their assault weapons. That is one law that should be changed. Then...maybe we would see people move there with their income and businesses and influence CA politics. CA lawmakers have made this fight a CA only fight by disallowing anyone to move their with their guns and fight the laws legally.

I would love to live in CA...but as I stated, cannot due to the fact that they do not honor the Constitution of the United States of America

I stand by my opinion...that people need to once and for all, bankrupt the state....and force the CA lawmakers hands.

Valmet,

I appreciate your zeal and dedication to the Costitution, but...

I will address this one paragraph at a time.

1) Your statement on why the housing market in this country is the way it is has no relevance at this point. The discussion is what should the people of California do now. The facts are home values are not what they were 2 years ago. For them to sell or even to rent out thier house now would mean they have to take a loss.

2) We are aware of what you are talking about. The economy of Califonia is already destroyed, they were operating on IOUs and the view from outside the state is that they are not too concerned. The Government of Calif. will make it work one way or another.

3 & 4) Like I said before, your zeal and dedication are admirable and your refusal to live in such states is commendable. In your situation you talk about leaving one job for another with higher pay. What I'm saying is not everybody has that luxury. I can tell you from personal experiance that a Carpenter in Ohio does not make as much money as a Carpenter in Calif. and I'm sure this applies to most states, that is if you can find a job with unemployment being as high as it is right now.

5) How is this one law that should be changed going to be changed if all the gun owners move out. You contradict yourself. In one statement you say all gun owners should move out of CA and in this statement you say gun friendly people should move in. Why don't we bypass all the melodramatic BS and just have the gun friendly people stay there and fight for the cause.

To put yourself in financial ruin and runaway from the issue only makes you ineffective in the future. What needs to happen is the gun owners of CA have to educate and inform the people who are ignorant to what is going on. Most of the people in CA are probably not even aware that this law passed or what it means to thier basic freedoms.
Gun owners of California, hang in there, you have my sympathy and support.

Regards

I have lived in CA for my whole live. I have not been around as long as some of the other members here on the forum. I am in my middle twenties. Grew up in a small town in northern CA we had snow during the winter months and land to run free on. My brother and I went to a Hunting Safety class at a young age. My parents taught us to think for our selves and most important stand for what you believe in.

Fast-forward to today and my wife and I have talked about moving out of the state for many reasons. A couple of them are how the state of CA as not handled the people’s money in a wise way. Another big reason is the gun laws. It is not really one gun law over another one, it is the fact that if the State government is taking rights from us. If they take these gun rights from us so easily then what other rights will they take from us later? I want to be a man for my family and when we start having kids I want them to know that we moved because believe in the Constitution.

Well in all of this my wife and I our moving out of CA. The plan is to move to Tacoma WA area just after Christmas. We are very excited and happy that we are doing this. Our families do not understand why we would move from this beautiful place. I feel that our action with us moving is a good way to witness to our families in what we believe.

I will keep all you guys up dated and I hope WA people are willing take a fellow CA person to their State.

Nick

Here's a thought. Is it possible that the Governator signed the bill to please the liberals with the presence in mind that it would be challenged? I totally despise that bill but maybe for political strategic purposes he signed it, knowing it will not come into effect until 2011, only to give time for it to be challenged and repealed? I mean he's a damn Republican, wtf???

I agree that CA is all jacked up with the laws and politicians but man, you really can't complain about the perks such as the weather, the women, the beaches, and the stupid gangbangers we get to shoot if they break into our homes hahaha

Now I know why we have so many Californians move here to AZ, a LOT more friendly gun laws and lower cost of living.
That, and it's only about a 5 hour drive to SD or LA. Hell even Vegas is only 5 hours away too. I like it here, it's a dry heat!

Sorry...and my condolences as well , (this, coming from NJ -of all places. )

But, I'm afraid, we (in NJ) are prolly gonna get hit with that horse dropping soon too.

Any positive Supr Court ruling(s) can't come fast enough for me.

Abandon California. Give it to Mexico and put claymores around the perimenter along with gun towers. I love visiting San Diego but it wouldnt bother me to use my passport to get in just like any other foreign country. Goofy Arnold sounds like a foreigner anyway

This is in a state where you have to show a valid state ID card to exchange aluminum cans and other metallic cans and have to give your photograph and thumb-print taken, and then the money will be withheld for 3 days "in case" the aluminum was stolen.
NO KIDDING!
http://planetsave.com/blog/200...ewed/comment-page-3/

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Originally posted by andriegel:
This is in a state where you have to show a valid state ID card to exchange aluminum cans and other metallic cans and have to give your photograph and thumb-print taken, and then the money will be withheld for 3 days "in case" the aluminum was stolen.
NO KIDDING!
http://planetsave.com/blog/200...ewed/comment-page-3/

I recycled a bunch of cans just the other day and I didn't need to give a photo ID.

California Gun Owners are really in a bad place. They are outnumbered. The leftists have control of the State Government and while much of the state is rural (and Red), the leftist controlled population centers of the LA and Bay Areas control the legislature. The Governor is a pro-business socialist who has no real appreciation for American values in general and 2nd Amendment values in particular.

However the rash generalizations that many of you are making about Kalifornia gun owners are just wrong. Calguns is making a valiant, web based, grassroots effort to fight for 2nd Amendment freedoms and there has been some good headway. I volunteer time at a range in the Bay Area and the number of black rifle shooters is the same as here in Houston. And while there is no shortage of old farts who don't think anyone needs an AR-15 to hunt deer in Kalifornia, these same people existed growing up in my home state of Wyoming as well.

While many of you on this forum have taken the stand and will not live in Kalifornia no matter the cost, you can't honestly think that all your fellow red stat'ers are as stalwart as you are. Take for example my roommate here in Houston. Oh, he is full of hatred for Kalifornia and for Obama, and will make fun of "monsterman grips" every chance he can. He ran out and bought an AR after the election and despite my best efforts, it sits unshot in his closet. You honestly think that when the time comes, he will be ready and willing to fight for your rights? Give me a dedicated Californian with a bullet button over him any day.

All I'm saying here is don't discount or discredit the gunnies who live in Kalifornia and don't condemn them for the crazy laws in their state. Most of your fellow red stat'ers would fight no harder and fair no better if you were facing what the guys in Kalifornia are up against. Just as the anti-freedom types have been so successful cultivating and then exploiting the rift between the "hunter crowd" and "black rifle crowd", they are busy cultivating the rift between "red state shooters" and "California shooters." "Divide and conquer" has always been the operative strategy - don't make their victory easier.